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No simple answers to society’s woes

January 14, 2013

Last month, I woke up, after a worse than usual fitful sleep, and my home page was flooded with posts about guns (all anti-gun control) and about eight different posts about how allowing God in the......

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Regelski

Mar-01-13 1:07 PM

Mike: I thought you might be reasonable. At least you use your name. But the proposal that Obama is "using Hitler as a guide" is incredibly out of line. Then you say "read history." Have you? What comparisons have you to Obama and the Third Reich, other than Hitler was popular and Obama is with voters? What kind of distorted reasoning can begin to make this comparison, this assertion? If this is the judgment of you and yours, then we are in deep doo-doo because not even the Tea Kettler's think that. What does such a claim prove? Again, why are so many on these forums so afraid--of what? A black president? Someone who supports an agenda you don't? What is accomplished by such allegations. Please! Write an extended essay that supports such insulting views of Obama, those who elected him, and those who (despite their differences) support the American way. Have you heard about the "checks and balances" of American government; variables that prevent dict

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Regelski

Feb-24-13 11:40 AM

Steiner: You're dangerous to the American way. The only thing you know is to spout your right wing talking points and slogans, insult those (libs) who don't agree with you, and wallow in your paranoia. You seem like a very unhappy person. Get a life!

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Regelski

Feb-24-13 11:40 AM

Steiner: You're dangerous to the American way. The only thing you know is to spout your right wing talking points and slogans, insult those (libs) who don't agree with you, and wallow in your paranoia. You seem like a very unhappy person. Get a life!

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Regelski

Feb-24-13 11:35 AM

American: You defile the name. You don't want to hear what upsets you? Are you so focused on the second amendment that you ignore the first? Is asking me to be "responsible" for my positions a personal threat? I am more than able to express myself: the problem is the echo chamber of slogans and talking points (not to mention continual reliance on insult, name calling, etc.) that reason and evidence face an unmovable wall of prejudged positions (= prejudice) for which the holders have no arguments, just insults (you're so far doing really well in the latter category: can you 'up' your contribution on the facts and reason stage?). You seem so angry! Why do you drip with animosity? Something or someone in life over-pressuring you? Have you ever had a reasonable disagreement with anyone, or is it always playground "sticks and stones"? You, as a factor against our way of life, are both interesting and dangerous--especially if you carry a gun.

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American

Feb-23-13 1:34 PM

Yup wait a month to comment Regelski. That way you may not have to answer for your remarks. You are a waste of air.

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Regelski

Feb-17-13 1:20 PM

Mike Davis: Over the top again! Trying to compare Obama to Hitler? Have you actually read the history of the Third Reich or are you just recycling debris from your usual sources? It's incredible that in the modern US someone can make these accusations without evidence or argument. Your hatred of Obama is clear in almost every post you make. Be honest, is it race? Or are you so far gone down the dead-end of anti-government paranoia that you would recommend a new society based on what sounds like Fascism?: Debase your opponents with bad mouthing that has no basis in fact? Obama will be president for more years: sorry, that's they way it is. In the meanwhile, join the political argument and quit it with the unsavory calling of names (remember "sticks and stones"). Continue this and I'll think of some name that approximates the kind of ridiculous allegations that you address towards our government (ever hear of taking part in the democratic process rather than demagoguery (lo

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Regelski

Feb-16-13 12:38 PM

Mike Davis: Here you go again: gun control = "eventual confiscation"! What's wrong with you buddy? Why this comprehensive fear? So you don't own a gun. Then your position on these issues seems to be directed at some other unnamed threat to you and to America. I'm threatened by those whose "patriotism" rejects the battles fought to gain the freedom we have. I note your participation on various forums, all of which come from the same script: FEAR! Of course paranoia doesn't meant that they're not out to get you, but why don't you offer convincing evidence that government (or are you a Tea Partier, Big Government) is the enemy? To be sure, government can become dysfunctional, but what is needed is to fix it not deny it. That's the kind of libertarian excess that will lead us to destruction---talk about FEARS.

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stangv8

Jan-19-13 7:56 PM

Mike, liberals like Robert hate Fox because they don’t control it. They have ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and PBS while those on the right have only Fox to be able to get the other side of a news story. Funny thing is when they use their clichés about not listening to Fox, for some reason what Fox initially reported ends up truthful facts while the other networks are playing catch-up. You didn’t hear on the liberal networks that the former Navy SEAL in Benghazi had targets painted on the ground and was in communication with a weapons system overhead but the weapons system was ordered to stand down. I couldn’t find that on any of the other networks. But then, that was right before the election and they had to do all they could to make him look good. Myself, I watch the NBC Nightly News religiously and, of course, Fox.

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MikeDavis

Jan-19-13 12:53 PM

Oh, and Robert? Why do all liberals use either "Faux" or "corporate-controlled" as their lead in to news? I get mine from several sources. Usually the BBC or an international news site. A little less controlled by any political party in America. Also, the word is hear, not here. And finally, you had to go to the well of desperation to push your point of view. The wonderful trump of all trumps for this worthless administration. The race card. You are a fine example of the weak and pathetic arguments of the liberal in this country. Thank you for showing your true character to this community.

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MikeDavis

Jan-19-13 12:38 PM

Robert, my comparisons are valid. Both political leaders were swept into office on a cult of personality. Obama is using Hitler as a guide. Read history, then look at what and how he's running his administration. I also said eventual confiscation. In no way can that take place on even this guys "executive order" over night. How many of those has the "fine gentleman" from Chicago issued? Look that up Robert. And I can tell you're frustrated by your use of Mikey to address me. Funny, I thought liberals were the crowd of anti-bullying. Apparently it's alright as long as it against someone not toeing the party line and in lock (goose) step with dear leader. I don't own a long gun Robert, surprised? What I do own is my responsibility to my country and my oath to the Constitution. To uphold and defend it, from all enemies, both foriegn and DOMESTIC.

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robert

Jan-19-13 9:38 AM

comparing president Obama to Hitler? you are a sad example of what corporate media, ignorance and racism can do. I bet you think your a good christian as well right?

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robert

Jan-19-13 9:35 AM

I am a gun owner Mikey, 357 magnum revolver, 6" barrel. I am not AFRAID that anyone is coming for it, not at all. I have aquaintences that own assault weapons and I am glad that I don't live near them. My weapon is licensed, i have been trained and I don't have a mental illness. I use it for target practice at the gun range (shoot 38s then, cheaper) but I do not lay awake at night thinking someone is about to break down my door and kill me. As I said, i don't have any mental problems including paranoia.

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robert

Jan-19-13 9:30 AM

the republican party is being led by a bunch of jokers at FOX news. John McCAin (who i admired at one time) now just can't get enough face time on FOX. where do you here the "they are coming for your guns" not from the elected politicians bozo. It comes from nuts like Hannity and Oreilly. When was the last time you heard an Elected Republican say anything of merit without hearing it on FOX news? The right is terrified of making enemies at FOX as they do not allow anyone to object to their propaganda.

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robert

Jan-19-13 9:26 AM

and Mike, who is saying they are coming for your guns? not the dems...its FOX news. that isn't the story, it is as you said a multifaceted issue. Are guns involved? you bet, How bout mental health? you bet. back ground checks? sure why not, makes sense. No one is coming for your guns, no one wants your guns. its a hot button the radical right just loves pushing and the gullible swallow it every time.

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robert

Jan-19-13 9:24 AM

Mike "leave the constitution alone"??? please look up for your own enlightenment which party has offered the most amendments to the constitution and which party has passed the most amendments to the constitution. Hint, the same party that now says "leave the constitution alone"

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stangv8

Jan-16-13 5:26 PM

Mike, if the person was a Republican or Conservative, then you could bet your life they would be blaming the person. In Tucson, the media was initially focused on blaming Jared Lee Loughner for shooing the congresswoman and the others when they though he was some right wing conservative. But, once it was found out he was a left wing liberal, the gun suddenly because the object of focus scorn by the MSM.

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MikeDavis

Jan-15-13 8:50 PM

And Marcia, you seem to think I am a republican. Not entirely, but I do believe in leaving the framework of the country as it is. You all think you can improve and tweak the Constitution. I wonder, does anyone remember the woman that just wanted to "freshen up" the painting of Jesus a while back? I'm sure she had the best intentions, but she pretty much destroyed an amazing work of art. I'm just asking you all to not do that in the case of the Constitution. A tweak here and a twist there and foundation is destroyed.

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MikeDavis

Jan-15-13 8:43 PM

con't Oval office. Stop letting yourself be led by the nose to the eventual yoke of tyranny. This is our country's foundation you people keep hammering at...re-do the walls and do a little landscaping, but please stop trying to bring the house down.

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MikeDavis

Jan-15-13 8:40 PM

Set politics aside? Glad to...as soon as you leave the Constitution alone. Why is everything "for the children"? Every time a school levy passes "for the children" the*******teachers go out on strike because they want a raise. Most kids today can't even fill out the multiplication table! But they will by god tell you if you are republican there is something wrong with you! What's wrong with this picture? Maybe that our schools have become indoctrination centers, not learning centers? And I will repeat for the fifty second time...this isn't a gun issue, it's a NUTJOB issue. Why can't you in the gun "control" (read eventual confiscation) crowd get that one simple thought into your heads? You are to busy blaming an inanimate object for evil. It would be funny if it wasn't about to erode the rights our fore fathers fought and dies to give and protect for us. Next we lose what? Every right has been infringed upon between Bush and this POS currently in the Ova

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stangv8

Jan-15-13 8:15 PM

Marcia, Obama evoked Reagan too on numerous occasions.

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MikeDavis

Jan-15-13 12:10 PM

judeye said "stangv8...so very true. Every time I think this has gotten so bad, I look back on history, and see nothing really has changed much." But you can't see the similarities of Hitler and Obama? Both promise something for nothing, both say one thing and do another, both promised to be open and both do everything behind closed doors, and the best one...everything "I" do, "I" do for you. I know you think this guy is looking out for you, but you have been royally duped. You are a P.T. Barnum dream come true. You aren't looking at history at all, you are to busy hoping for the change this lying jerk keeps hanging in front of the donkeys like a carrot.

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American

Jan-15-13 11:42 AM

@Marcia, Hate to burst that little bubble you live in but the reality is that I am a registered democrat. Does that mean I have to follow everything the "party" says ? I am registered as one think JFK was a great president, as I do Reagan and think Nixon and Johnson sucked. Bush was a "average" president and Obama is the worst one ever. Then comes carter in 2nd place. Do I think and vote party line, no, I really have a mind of my own so vote for whomever I believe will do the job I think is best for the nation, not best for the party. And a weapons ban is not good for the nation.

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Marcia

Jan-15-13 9:00 AM

MikeDavis and American, if you want to address the cult of personality, how about the republican's adoration of Ronald Reagan. Every candidate running for president last year invoked his name. They gave a tribute to him at the convention. He is your messiah. Even though the start of the decline of our country began with him and his trickle down (although it was really trickle up) economy. All studies point to the decline of the middle class starting around the early 1980s. And the funny part is, he would be too liberal to be elected by republicans now.

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judeye

Jan-15-13 7:54 AM

Many things have changed since the fifties. Back then you could support a family on ONE income. These days it is almost impossible to do that. How many companies have stopped giving pensions? How many jobs do not provide health insurance? Have you looked at the charts showing income inequality and how the gap between the working people and the super rich has grown in the past two decades?

"the United States has the highest rates of childhood homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among industrialized countries."

This is what we MUST address. No sense in keep complaining that it is not like it was. This is what it is..and now it is up to you and me and all the adult grown ups in this country to come up with ways to reduce the number of violent deaths in our children. Our parents and grandparents did it by addressing the many illnesses that used to take so many young lives (polio, influenza, etc) Can we put our children above our politics? I pray we can..

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judeye

Jan-15-13 7:42 AM

stangv8...so very true. Every time I think this has gotten so bad, I look back on history, and see nothing really has changed much.

They used to even have fist fights in our Congress. Did anyone see secret lives of our forefathers on History? Good grief, they also were far from puritans.

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