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Legislators on both sides stand their ground on County Home

January 23, 2013

There are two sides to every story — and, in the case of the Chautauqua County Home, there are legislators on both sides. The County Home debate could come to an end tonight....

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DarkStar

Jan-24-13 12:36 PM

"And we are to trust these same people making a decision on how we are to care for our most vulnerable?"

Actually according to you we do since you support keeping them in charge of the CH.

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cruisin

Jan-23-13 9:00 PM

easy to see which politicians cares about the people and those who only care about money

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:52 PM

Goodbye Avi!!..You all dont come back,ya hear!!..

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judeye

Jan-23-13 5:50 PM

PhilJulian...those figures simply are not true Phil. Have you not read the report from the research firm we paid to evaluate the HOME?

With the IGT funds..the HOME operates at a SURPLUS.

Hmm...what other public agency that receives outside funds from state or feds..and local funds as well..is operating at a surplus? Anyone know of any?

Oh..and the gas well...amazing that so many just do not care... how these very same folks..spent thousands of our tax dollars..for what reason?

Hmm...oh that is right NO one can answer that. I have to got down to Mayville and go through a huge file of papers just to find out who authorized it, at what cost, and who got paid.

And we are to trust these same people making a decision on how we are to care for our most vulnerable?

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Dcronlg

Jan-23-13 2:17 PM

In other words, the estimated $2 million is savings is simply going to be shifted into $2 million more in county-funded costs by state mandated Medicare.

Its creative bookkeeping and its not very original at that.

If you guys want tax relief, then start pounding on Tom Reed. For every $1 fed taxes you pay, we get only 79 cents back. Tell Reed you deserve your full share -- that's the only way your tax burden, compared to paying for services, will be lessened.

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Dcronlg

Jan-23-13 2:12 PM

The single, entire truth in this debate: this county's residents are aging, period. There will be more & more seniors; their numbers, compared to all other age demographics, will keep growing, period. Combine this irrefutable data with astronomical health care costs for the elderly -- 80% of healthcare costs come from 15% of people, & 75% of those 15% are elderly -- this county home debate is the tip of the iceberg. For you sellers, like Barmore, you may believe you've savings $s but you're not All Barmore is doing is simply shifting costs because the costs are going to be there, one way or another, & growing.

Two other thoughts: This county is poor, so are most elderly folks. More than any other cohort, seniors consistently vote. They are going to vote, in greater numbers, to be taken care of, because greater numbers will need it, period. Barmore, et al, have zero answers for this approaching cost tsunami & for-profit privatization isn't it.

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PhilJulian

Jan-23-13 12:48 PM

There have been many efforts to cloud the issue but as I see it county officials have an opportunity to save taxpayers over $2 million per year while still providing quality services. Should there really be any doubt as to how they should vote?

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bulldog10

Jan-23-13 12:20 PM

Sonny B and the rest of the pro-county home would not be interested in any buyer. They want the taxpayer to pay taxes like they are bleeding us. The workers at the county home are no better then anywhere else. Nurses and employees at nursing stations sitting around talking while the elderly go unattended. Been there seen it.

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DunkirkRFD

Jan-23-13 11:21 AM

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DarkStar

Jan-23-13 11:20 AM

"Is this the real issue?..Employees?..Quality of care does not matter?.."

County employees does not automatically mean higher quality care and as I've stated I've had family members in the CH and in other local facilities and it was my experience that the quality of care at the County Home was lacking compared to other local facilities.

"On the side of the citizens in their time or need or with big money profits and greed. "

It's funny how often you claim others are greedy and yet you constantly support taking money from others to support things you belive but don't seem to think that's greedy at all. lol!

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:08 AM

bulldog10...You talk about rape??..Ask Avi about a taxpayer that got raped in one of his homes he has interests in!!..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:05 AM

WE DON'T WANT YOU OR NEED YOU Avi!!

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:02 AM

proconserv..I have my facts straight...The videos of Mr.Rothner and what he says are the facts!!..Watch them!!..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 10:59 AM

Today this Counties legislators will be voting on whether to sell our beloved Chautauqua County Nursing Home to a private owner named Avi Rothner,listed along with his family as being among the top worst ten nursing home owner/operators in the states of Illinois and Indiana..There have been rapes and patient abuse in the Homes this man has interests in..Please say some prayers our County Home does not end up in the hands of this person..

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bulldog10

Jan-23-13 10:03 AM

County leg. member if you don't sell the county home step down because you don't represent the majority of county taxpayers. The home will be there whether its sold or not. If the taxpayers continue to get r a p e d for every dime they have they will not be here, they will move.

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MrHistoryMan

Jan-23-13 9:37 AM

To the Chautauqua County Legislators. If you sell the county home to this operator, at the same time step down as a Legislator. WE DON'T WANT YOU OR NEED YOU.

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proconserv

Jan-23-13 9:29 AM

Judeye, you said it..."We pay taxes for services that are to benefit us all." The key word is services. There are TOO many services that are costing us tax payers TOO much. I am one that feels the County Home should stay open, but owned privately, and not by OUR county. SonnyB needs to get her facts straight and then start commenting.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 9:13 AM

FredoniaFred.Mr.Rothner was the biggest fool in history when at his inquisition he stated he will not accept any applicant to his facility that will not make money for him..

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FredoniaFred

Jan-23-13 8:54 AM

Mr. Rothner would be the biggest fool in history if it was his intention to close the county home after investing $16.5M in the purchase. Some people will say anything stupid to make a point.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:28 AM

Garry Owen!!!!!!!..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:24 AM

Cassadaga14718..Is this the real issue?..Employees?..Quality of care does not matter?..Shame on you for thinking that way!.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:18 AM

commentor..Why hasnt the legislators who want to sell the take a trip out there and see if Avi is telling the truth..He doesnt even know how many Nursing facilities he owns or has stake ion,,The only thing he does know is that he is married and has children..

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bronski

Jan-23-13 8:13 AM

Again I say "our taxes will not go down". What part of that do people not understand. Management is to blame for this issue. Mr. Edwards to Mr. Helwig are incompetent when it comes to running this operation. The tax payers paid good money for the report and they did not thing to act on it. If the vote is to sell and you go with Mr. Rothner the home will be closed within 5 years. What a sham this has turned out to be. Shame on you Mr. Edwards. I for one will not vote for you for the County Executive next year nor will I vote for you to be part of state government. You can not run a county let alone something bigger.

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commentor

Jan-23-13 8:11 AM

Here's another idea....sell both airports and use the money to keep the Home or better yet sell both.

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commentor

Jan-23-13 8:09 AM

Sell don't sell the 1 star rating is good. This argument has been going on for months. Avi is good. Avi is bad. Why hasn't Edwards and Legislator's most opposed to Avi taken a trip to some of his nursing homes and seen for themselves the condition of these homes??? Cornell the biggest and loudest you especially should have made this trip. It's a pretty simple solution but the idiots of Chautauqua County govt can't seem to comprehend this!!!

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