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Legislators on both sides stand their ground on County Home

January 23, 2013

There are two sides to every story — and, in the case of the Chautauqua County Home, there are legislators on both sides. The County Home debate could come to an end tonight....

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 3:26 AM

The Home wouldnt have any problems if you Mr.Barmore and some other legislators would have done your homework years ago and implemented the recommendations that were in reports and studies,including the one done in 2009 by Mr.Nazarro.Now you threaten to cut the IGT funding?.You are a buffoon.There are many ways to keep the Home at least on even keel,including the concessions offered by the Union.What happened with the $450,000 gas well?.The 1 star rating you dwell on is an outlier,the Home has always had good ratings,the 1 star you all talk about was based on technicalities,not Quality of care.You talk from both sides of your mouth,you say sell it,then the jobs will remain,then you say if it is not sold the IGT funding will be cut and there will be no jobs,is that what you plan on doing?.Cut the IGT funding?.Is that the plan?.You make me sick,you dont care about the old and sick,nor do you care about the employees.Leave the Home alone and get out of politics!.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 3:28 AM

It was once said that the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped. Hubert H. Humphrey

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Cassadaga14718

Jan-23-13 7:10 AM

Sell, Sell Sell. Taxpayers need relief, no county employees.

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judeye

Jan-23-13 8:05 AM

I hope our legislators vote on the side of care and compassion and use our taxpayers money to continue to care for our most vulnerable citizens in their time of need.

With the IGT funds the HOME has a SURPLUS. Yes, I do understand this is also taxpayer money, just like I understand State Aid to our schools is tax payer money, grants for our roads, police, etc...all taxpayer money. We pay taxes for services that are to benefit us all. Take away the state and federal aid, and how many of those would be running a deficit much higher than the County Home. What service can be more important than caring for our most vulnerable citizens in their time of need?

Tonight we will see where our legislators stand. On the side of the citizens in their time or need or with big money profits and greed.

Not everything should be judged merely in terms of money.

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commentor

Jan-23-13 8:09 AM

Sell don't sell the 1 star rating is good. This argument has been going on for months. Avi is good. Avi is bad. Why hasn't Edwards and Legislator's most opposed to Avi taken a trip to some of his nursing homes and seen for themselves the condition of these homes??? Cornell the biggest and loudest you especially should have made this trip. It's a pretty simple solution but the idiots of Chautauqua County govt can't seem to comprehend this!!!

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commentor

Jan-23-13 8:11 AM

Here's another idea....sell both airports and use the money to keep the Home or better yet sell both.

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bronski

Jan-23-13 8:13 AM

Again I say "our taxes will not go down". What part of that do people not understand. Management is to blame for this issue. Mr. Edwards to Mr. Helwig are incompetent when it comes to running this operation. The tax payers paid good money for the report and they did not thing to act on it. If the vote is to sell and you go with Mr. Rothner the home will be closed within 5 years. What a sham this has turned out to be. Shame on you Mr. Edwards. I for one will not vote for you for the County Executive next year nor will I vote for you to be part of state government. You can not run a county let alone something bigger.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:18 AM

commentor..Why hasnt the legislators who want to sell the take a trip out there and see if Avi is telling the truth..He doesnt even know how many Nursing facilities he owns or has stake ion,,The only thing he does know is that he is married and has children..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:24 AM

Cassadaga14718..Is this the real issue?..Employees?..Quality of care does not matter?..Shame on you for thinking that way!.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 8:28 AM

Garry Owen!!!!!!!..

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FredoniaFred

Jan-23-13 8:54 AM

Mr. Rothner would be the biggest fool in history if it was his intention to close the county home after investing $16.5M in the purchase. Some people will say anything stupid to make a point.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 9:13 AM

FredoniaFred.Mr.Rothner was the biggest fool in history when at his inquisition he stated he will not accept any applicant to his facility that will not make money for him..

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proconserv

Jan-23-13 9:29 AM

Judeye, you said it..."We pay taxes for services that are to benefit us all." The key word is services. There are TOO many services that are costing us tax payers TOO much. I am one that feels the County Home should stay open, but owned privately, and not by OUR county. SonnyB needs to get her facts straight and then start commenting.

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MrHistoryMan

Jan-23-13 9:37 AM

To the Chautauqua County Legislators. If you sell the county home to this operator, at the same time step down as a Legislator. WE DON'T WANT YOU OR NEED YOU.

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bulldog10

Jan-23-13 10:03 AM

County leg. member if you don't sell the county home step down because you don't represent the majority of county taxpayers. The home will be there whether its sold or not. If the taxpayers continue to get r a p e d for every dime they have they will not be here, they will move.

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 10:59 AM

Today this Counties legislators will be voting on whether to sell our beloved Chautauqua County Nursing Home to a private owner named Avi Rothner,listed along with his family as being among the top worst ten nursing home owner/operators in the states of Illinois and Indiana..There have been rapes and patient abuse in the Homes this man has interests in..Please say some prayers our County Home does not end up in the hands of this person..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:02 AM

proconserv..I have my facts straight...The videos of Mr.Rothner and what he says are the facts!!..Watch them!!..

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:05 AM

WE DON'T WANT YOU OR NEED YOU Avi!!

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SonnyB

Jan-23-13 11:08 AM

bulldog10...You talk about rape??..Ask Avi about a taxpayer that got raped in one of his homes he has interests in!!..

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DarkStar

Jan-23-13 11:20 AM

"Is this the real issue?..Employees?..Quality of care does not matter?.."

County employees does not automatically mean higher quality care and as I've stated I've had family members in the CH and in other local facilities and it was my experience that the quality of care at the County Home was lacking compared to other local facilities.

"On the side of the citizens in their time or need or with big money profits and greed. "

It's funny how often you claim others are greedy and yet you constantly support taking money from others to support things you belive but don't seem to think that's greedy at all. lol!

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DunkirkRFD

Jan-23-13 11:21 AM

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bulldog10

Jan-23-13 12:20 PM

Sonny B and the rest of the pro-county home would not be interested in any buyer. They want the taxpayer to pay taxes like they are bleeding us. The workers at the county home are no better then anywhere else. Nurses and employees at nursing stations sitting around talking while the elderly go unattended. Been there seen it.

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PhilJulian

Jan-23-13 12:48 PM

There have been many efforts to cloud the issue but as I see it county officials have an opportunity to save taxpayers over $2 million per year while still providing quality services. Should there really be any doubt as to how they should vote?

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Dcronlg

Jan-23-13 2:12 PM

The single, entire truth in this debate: this county's residents are aging, period. There will be more & more seniors; their numbers, compared to all other age demographics, will keep growing, period. Combine this irrefutable data with astronomical health care costs for the elderly -- 80% of healthcare costs come from 15% of people, & 75% of those 15% are elderly -- this county home debate is the tip of the iceberg. For you sellers, like Barmore, you may believe you've savings $s but you're not All Barmore is doing is simply shifting costs because the costs are going to be there, one way or another, & growing.

Two other thoughts: This county is poor, so are most elderly folks. More than any other cohort, seniors consistently vote. They are going to vote, in greater numbers, to be taken care of, because greater numbers will need it, period. Barmore, et al, have zero answers for this approaching cost tsunami & for-profit privatization isn't it.

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Dcronlg

Jan-23-13 2:17 PM

In other words, the estimated $2 million is savings is simply going to be shifted into $2 million more in county-funded costs by state mandated Medicare.

Its creative bookkeeping and its not very original at that.

If you guys want tax relief, then start pounding on Tom Reed. For every $1 fed taxes you pay, we get only 79 cents back. Tell Reed you deserve your full share -- that's the only way your tax burden, compared to paying for services, will be lessened.

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