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Home vote fails 16 to 9

Nursing facility remains in county hands

January 24, 2013

MAYVILLE – The Chautauqua County Nursing Home is still in the county’s hands. Legislators voted Wednesday night to keep the home, which County Executive Greg Edwards said loses $9,000 per day....

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Captain

Jan-25-13 3:57 PM

Star: Contrary to what you wrote, I'm all for cost-efficient public services. Not sure why you think I'm not, and to be honest w/you, your last comment reminds me of a teenager who usually misinterprets what is said.

Isn't it Edwards', the CCLeg & CCH Admin Hellwig's job to run CCH efficiently?...yet you place most of the blame on "union trolls."

Edwards and his minions repeatedly threaten to close down the CCH if a buyer isn't found soon b/c it loses money, yet he, Gerace and the entire legislature have done absolutely nothing to impose meaningful savings to lower the excessive cost needed to run the sheriff's dept? In fact, if I'm not mistaken, they just approved pay raises for P/T sheriff deputies (more trolls?) In my book, this is what's known as a double standard, hypocrisy, two-faced, etc.

Like DKexpat said earlier, selling CCH is meant to help address all the poor decisions made by Mayville in the last 5-10 yrs.

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DarkStar

Jan-25-13 12:48 PM

Captain,

So following your logic the government should provide everything to everyone since it doesn't matter if it's provided efficiently.

As for the Sheriff dept, if there were a dozen private companies offering the same, or better, services for a fraction of the cost I'd be all for privatizing it, but since that isn't the case your comparing apples to oranges.

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DarkStar

Jan-25-13 12:44 PM

The nurse told that my mother had "trouble swallowing" which she didn't and having them given to her this way not only upset her but it also left a bad taste in their mouth and destroyed what little appetite she had.

Over the next two weeks my sister and/or I talked to every med nurse that worked the unit during this time on first and second shift and well as the supervisor and I believe it was the director (although I can’t recall her exact title.) Everyone was very apologetic about it but nothing changed until I channeled my inner ***h0le raised*****over it and said if it happened again that I would be going to the administrator over it.

Now some might say this was an exception and not the rule there but I have to wonder, if my sister and I had to fight for two weeks to have this corrected what chance would someone without family there to fight for them have at getting it fixed?

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DarkStar

Jan-25-13 12:26 PM

bella50,

Sorry for the late response, things got crazy and hadn't been able to check in on the articles I've been following.

I did report what I witnessed, and while I wouldn't say it reached the level of abuse, but that doesn't mean it was proper either.

When the issue was raised I was basically told that they do what they can with the staff they have available.

Again, the staff themselves weren't the problem, but instead is the simple truth that by mixing patients with greatly different needs on a unit you create a situation where a few patients monopolize the vast majority of the staffs time which leaves little time for other residents. This isn't a problem if the ones not getting the attention are fairly self sufficient, but is an issue with those who aren't "sick" enough to need constant care but not well enough to be self sufficient.

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DarkStar

Jan-25-13 12:15 PM

CSEA troll, oops sorry I mean SonnyB,

I'm not even going to bother discussing the garbage and bile you constantly spew since you refuse to accept anything unless it comes from your union overlords.

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PhilJulian

Jan-25-13 9:29 AM

JUDEYE - my opinions are bason on one fundamental principal- GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE THE EMPLOYER OS LAST RESORT. There are some services like police, fire and road maintenance where government involvement can be justified. In most other cases if the private sector can do it better and cheaper it should be done by the private sector where competition will control costs and quality of service. I believed the union at the CCH deserved the opportunity to present a plan that would eliminate the deficit but their plan was lacking in savings. It is time we stop treating the taxpayers like a piggy bank.

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judeye

Jan-25-13 8:12 AM

mcjens...we do have watchdogs. They are called ombudsmen.

As for only the rich nursing homes are good...Nothing could be further from the truth. I have seen excellent care in all types of homes from those that costs are extremely high to our very own County Home.

In fact, I had a friend from Pittsburgh go with me to the County Home to visit a mutual friend. He was very nervous..as it was a "county home"..that is until he saw it! He told me it is as good if not better than the most expensive nursing homes in the Pgh area!

We all should take great pride in the HOME it really is state of the art excellence. Including the staff!

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judeye

Jan-25-13 8:07 AM

mrwedge...sorry for your loss, my deepest sympathies.

I agree with your other points. I honestly cannot think of anything more important for my taxes to pay for than the care of our most vulnerable in their time of need.

PhilJulian...yes most of us know the IGT funds come from taxpayers. Have you calculated the cost of other agencies in our county without state or federal aid? I am sure they run a much higher deficit without this aid. As with this aid the Home runs a SURPLUS.

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Snotziman

Jan-24-13 10:19 PM

The airports have been for sale for years Ron but there are no buyers. I'm sure you can buy one or both from the county for a dollar.

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Snotziman

Jan-24-13 10:17 PM

The concessions "offered" by CSEA fall mostly on part-timers, fill-ins and newer employees. Those that have been there more than 10 years (2/3 of employees) offered a $40 longevity bonus and 2 paid holidays, about $280 per year in concessions.

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Snotziman

Jan-24-13 10:14 PM

Without the threat of a sale, CSEA has no reason to offer concessions. Not even the miniscule $400K offered when the CGR report suggested $950K.

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concerned

Jan-24-13 8:25 PM

It's a lib's world for the next 4 years we can only dig deeper in our pockets to pay for their follies. Now watch the union renig on their offer!

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kmcc62

Jan-24-13 7:32 PM

Very good nres fot the residents of the home. They HAVE given to this county and they DESERVE the very best care. Following the recommendations in the CGR report, and accepting the unions concessions ALL a great start. The home should remain in countys hands. Having a family member there, (my mom) who has also given to this county all her life. She and countless others would not be able to afford a private pay facility. She does pay some for her care. Her pension minus $50 a month.

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DKexpat

Jan-24-13 6:31 PM

Shouldn't the headline really have read something like:

"Legislature votes 17-8 to sell CHH, but lacked 1 vote to sell it to Altitude Health Services."

The die have been cast and the home will most likely be sold to someone, right?

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SonnyB

Jan-24-13 4:11 PM

There are 2 airports in this Country that*****up plenty of our tax money!!..They are useless!!..They generate no profit,they bring in no new business,yet they are heavily funded every year!!..Im sick of the BS in this County!!..

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bella50

Jan-24-13 3:49 PM

Dark star: I also had family in Fredonia Place in the memory unit, we had to take her out of there because she was never feed or taken to the bathroom, also knew someone at AOD, when you walk in there you are over taken by the smell of urine and all the aides are behind the desk. If you noticed that something wasnt right with anyones care at the cch, why didn't you make a complaint? Really you would just let someone sit in a wheelchair out of the way, just being warehoused, or abused in anyway. I know personally that no supervisor at the cch would ever let that happen to any resident. Come on now. I believe you might be stretching the truth.Don't be mad because you didn't get your way with selling the home to avi. Lets be happy for all those medicaid residents(that are suppossedly being warehoused) and their families that they won't have to be moved some place else. Mr. R did say he would not guarantee they could stay. I'm very happy for them.

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Captain

Jan-24-13 3:45 PM

Lat year's budget for the CCSD, the jail, courthouse (and probably probation) was a staggering $22.5M! Did these public entities collectively generate the same amt ($22.5M) to equalize their yearly operating expenses, like Edwards and the legislature demand CCH do?

It costs a he!!uva lot more than $3M (probably 6X that) to operate the vast law enforcement empire that Sheriff Gerace has been given permission to build. And who gave the sheriff such exclusive power?...the same folks who now insist that if the CCH continues to lose money, they'll try to sell it again or close it down!

Forget about our seniors, they're old anyway, and won't be around much longer. Let's keep focusing on expanding law enforcement. Maybe the sheriff is floating the idea to turn the CCH into a north county jail? I hear it has a gas well that will help keep heating costs down.

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SonnyB

Jan-24-13 3:44 PM

DarkStar....I had family members and friends in the County Home too and I never seen any of the things you claim...I think you are full of sheite...You sound like a disgruntled ex-employee that got sheite canned,or you were too stupid to work there....The County Home has an excellent menu,many residents there also have chewing problems and can not eat whats on the main menu,they need a special soft diet....Quit making people trying to believe the County Home feeds their patients craaap!!...I visited an elderly lady at Fredonia Place just recently and I seen what they fed her at dinner,a microwaved Totinos pizza!!...You are are phoney!!....

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bella50

Jan-24-13 3:31 PM

Commentor: the ppl that work at the cch are still very willing to do their part to help, and believe it or not they pay the same taxes you do. So Rest assured they will be giving up quite a bit. I know your comment will be: you will believe it when you see it. Which is fine, but when you are proved wrong,I will be waiting for you to give those employee's some praise for a change. Are you human enough to do that? Or do you just like to complain about what YOU think other ppl should have or not have?

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DarkStar

Jan-24-13 3:16 PM

robert,

As someone who has had family members in the County Home and other facilities in the county I can honestly say that to the care in the other homes are as good, or in many cases better, then what I witnessed at the CH.

Ironically while charging about 130% more then even someplace like Fredonia Place they have far fewer staff directly involved in day to day patient care. Not to mention when for more then $8k a month you would think they could actually feed the residents something more then the PB&J, Tuna, egg or ham salad which are served at least half the dinners each week.

The only real advantage the County Home has over someplace like Absolute is the building itself.

The main problem problem I was was the CH's mixing patients with various levels of care. The problem is that a few patients monopolize the time of the staff and the rest of the patients are put in chairs, wheeled someplace out of the way and instead of recieving care are basically just warehoused.

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commentor

Jan-24-13 2:28 PM

Kids out of high school might be more compassionate than hardened greedy union workers. The County Home is not the perfect place you would like everyone to think it is. Now that a buyer is out of the picture let's see what the union is willing to give up. My guess is not a d a m thing.

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PhilJulian

Jan-24-13 12:53 PM

Let's be clear about one thing. IGT funding is not free money. It comes from a federal government that is $16 trillion in debt and threatened with bankruptcy. Here is the way the present system works. We subsidize losses at the home to the tune of $2-3 million per year and it comes from our taxes. Then, when we enter heaven's waiting room we are expected to pay about $8,000 per month until all our cash has been depleted. At that point your property gets turned over to the county to pay for your continuing care. Oh, there is an option. If you spend your life as a couch potato and accumulate no cash or property, the good news is that you can still enjoy the benefits of the home free of charge. Ah! Isn't democracy wonderful! A vote of 16 to 9 and the 9's win!!!!!

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DarkStar

Jan-24-13 12:45 PM

"The Home must remain as is,in control of the people,not money hungry private owners who could care less about their patients!.... "

Yeah and I bet the CSEA really cares about patient care, as opposed to pay and benifits. lol!

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rumblefish

Jan-24-13 12:40 PM

Duff a no show on the vote whats up with that?,selling the home makes good business sense,can you say tax revenue for the county and help for over burdened tax payer,apparently 9 can't

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mrwedge

Jan-24-13 12:28 PM

I've stayed out of this but I need to comment. My wife spent 2 weeks in the county home before she passed away. The employees were wonderful & caring, and if anything, I saw understaffing, not overstaffing. The county home provides a service for our seniors & sick that should be provided AT ANY COST. All county services cost money, whether its the county home or the sheriffs dept, just to name two. And we don't want to admit it, but there's a good chance many of us will use the county home in our lifetimes. And as the boomers get older, that need will only increase. Thank You to the legislators who voted NO.

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