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Gun owners are not criminals

January 25, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: I am just an average working guy, like most of you. Not too many things would make me write to the paper. I like to hunt and fish, I own guns and like to shoot the....

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1Laona

Feb-23-13 11:40 AM

A local bus(Dunkirk/Fredonia)is going to the protest against the NY SAFE ACT in Albany on 2/28/13.$55 a seat-call 672-6210 for details.

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localresident

Feb-02-13 12:49 AM

For the two people that disagreed with my statement that Biden thinks a double-barrel is enough to protect and hunt with, show your reasons why. I can't wait to show you my proof of him saying so, and the error of your ways, which are many. Go ahead, I double-dog dare you.

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American

Jan-29-13 8:01 PM

You have it right 1Laona it's the anti gun crowd that have no clues. I feel sorry for my kids and grandkids generation having to grow up in a society where everyone things the Constitution is just a piece of paper and only believe in that parts that further a liberal or socialized agenda. It will affect the grandkids and there kids generation much more then mine. Sad to see it happening now and especially with Cuomo and Obama pushing so hard for it. I am counting on SCOTUS to hopefully set things right but they failed miserably on the healthcare bill that I have to wonder.

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1Laona

Jan-29-13 2:04 PM

Judeye,the idea of buying"cartons"of ammo is the same as going to the "warehouse club" and buying in bulk.If I can buy 1,000 rounds,save $30-40 and have it delivered to my door then that would be called "smart shopping"As for the fear of "secret cults",well after the election that secret is out in the open.Now you leftys are on the move and it's probably not going to end well.that statement will mean I'm going to be judged mentally deficient by the boards Commissars but so be it.

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stangv8

Jan-29-13 10:10 AM

Judeye, your brother-in-law doesn’t think it’s unreasonable because that’s all he knows; he knows nothing else. It took him over 6 months to get his initial permit. I bet he didn’t know that if his next door neighbor objected to him having a pistol permit, his application would have been denied. People under bondage have no idea of what freedom is until they taste it. That’s why you now have some women in the Middle East fighting against Sharia Law. They’ve visited other countries and have tasted freedom and now they realize the system they lived under and supported is nothing but bondage.

Most states don’t do a background check because one is mandated and done by federal law.

If you like your NY restrictions, then you can stay there and keep them there but don’t impose them upon the rest of the nation. Nobody in Montana, Arizona, or other states are telling you to change your laws so quit trying to tell them to change theirs

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stangv8

Jan-29-13 10:01 AM

Judeye, I hate to tell you this but it’s almost literally impossible for anyone to carry around cartons of ammo. That stuff can get very heavy. Put it this way, one box of 50 was all that was needed at Sandy Hook. The fact that someone has thousands of rounds is meaningless.

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judeye

Jan-29-13 8:24 AM

Marcia, in New York, all handguns must be registered with the state and to their owners who must be licensed to own handguns.

My brother in law just got a concealed weapon permit. I asked him what he had to go through and he cited most of what you did.

He also told me that he did not think it was unreasonable and that he thinks these controls should be Nation wide.

What do you think? Most of the states do not even do background checks. Now I find that outrageous...

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judeye

Jan-29-13 8:22 AM

stangv8..oh I agree we must start to address those issues if we want to address gun violence.

Yet I still want to know if someone in my town is buying up cartons of ammo. It just might suggest they are planning something that could harm my family.

One of the biggest threats today seems to be FEAR. Many fear that our government is planning martial law...some fear invasion from ufos...some fear secret cults. Fear rather than working together is what seems to be what is keeping us from coming to concessions on how best to address the increase violence that is killing our children.

JOBS for the young would help. Where is the demand for more job training, education and jobs for our young people so they do not turn to selling drugs and joining gangs for protection?

I know we can come up with ways to address this major problem..and we need ALL voices in on the discussions and recommendations.

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 11:20 PM

I'll post this again. It is not just gun control, it's control. Controls the founders did not want to have imposed on American citizens, ever. Saying you are safer without assault weapons in citizens hands while allowing them to keep high powered rifles, semi-auto hand guns, revolvers, or even derringers is in genuine at best and asinine at worst. Of course you will demand proof, and I (very unfortunately) have it. The Sandy Hook elementary school killings were done with hand guns. Now what good will this ban do again? Besides satisfy some need to feel like something was done, when in reality not a thing was accomplished but the infringment of a Constitutional right.

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 11:14 PM

Marcia, now was that a slip up or the way you really feel? "I don't want them to have guns"...period? Or do you mean assault style weapons? And yes, of course the disclaimer is to relieve them of as much liability as possible. With the lawyers of America waiting in the wings to sue for anything I would expect this site to have an even longer, more binding disclaimer.

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stangv8

Jan-28-13 9:46 PM

Marcia, in New York, all handguns must be registered with the state and to their owners who must be licensed to own handguns. The handguns serial number will be on their pistol permit and the only ones allowed to handle that handgun are those who have that particular pistol registered on their permit. If a handgun owner sells that gun, it can only be to a person who has a pistol permit and it must go through the local sheriff or agency where the gun is transferred to the new owner. That’s NY law. In Arizona, Montana, Missouri, and numerous other states, handgun owner sells handgun to purchaser. No permits, registration, or visit to agency to approve purchase. You may not like it but that’s their laws and they have much less gun crime than NY. BTW, most of their gun crimes is in the metropolitan areas associated with gangs, drugs, and crime.

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stangv8

Jan-28-13 9:39 PM

Judeye, if someone stocks up on ammo, why do you feel the authorities need to be alerted? Are they doing anything wrong or illegal? The gun violence that kills each week is mainly drug, gang, and crime related. Why don’t you look at doing something about those three things and the gun violence will virtually disappear.

Marcia, nobody is attacking your personally so let’s not go into victim status. The selling of firearms between private owners isn’t illegal. Every state has their own requirements for selling firearms between private individuals. Some states, like NY and their excessive crime rates, require individuals to have the guns registered and even sales between private individuals must go through the state. Other states like Montana, with their very low crime rates, don’t require any gun registration or licensing of owners; private citizens buy and sell firearms like they do any thing else.

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Marcia

Jan-28-13 9:00 PM

I must saying having a disclaimer on your site (Armslist) is just done to relieve them of responsibility. All of the sites I listed, and many more show how people can get guns on-line without a check. The laws of other states are not the same as ours. I understand that the people posting here are not the ones we are talking about, but there millions more out there not like you. And I don't want them to have guns.

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 6:56 PM

Marcia and Judeye I will repeat myself. I don't think everything I say is right, I do say what my opinion is and what I have heard and or read. My memory is not what it used to be and certainly not infallible. If I make an ignorant statement and I get an education for it, great. I don't confuse stupidity with ignorance. Ignorance can be overcome with the ease of giving the correct information and where to find it. Stupid, unfortunately, seems like it is to the bone. Thanks for the continuing education, I hope I at least offered a point of view worthy of your taking a few moments to ponder the validity of my argument. I do enjoy the debate. I can also say there are times you frustrate the blazes out of me with your point of view. LOL. But that's what makes this interesting. Have a great day.

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 6:41 PM

"Disclaimer: Always comply with local, state, federal, and international law. ARMSLIST does not become involved in transactions between parties. Review our privacy policy and terms of use for more information. Report Illegal Firearms Activity to 1-800-ATF-GUNS" This is the from the ARMSLIST site. Doesn't sound like they want to have the ATF on their case either. I am sure some criminals get their hands on guns but I would have to believe it is a small fraction of the number bought and sold on this and the other sites mentioned. Not condoning nor condemning the site. I'm just giving my opinion here, and I doubt the site owners want to have a beef with the ATF.

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 6:37 PM

bluemassgroup-dot-com/2012/12/guns-that-you-can-legally-buy-online/ Marcia, I went to this site and all I found was a person asking that question. Are you sure it's a site to buy guns?

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 6:18 PM

Marcia, I wasn't attacking you personally, I just don't think of the Today show as a credible source. In regard to: In the words of an ATF spokesman, “If people are inclined to break the law, the internet provides them with more sources.” yes, a criminal can take advantage of the net. I think most of the people here are law abiding. Only with the proposed ban would they become possibly criminal. In other words criminals aren't going to pay attention to the ban either way. I would support shutting these sites down, but wouldn't it be easier for law enforcement to monitor the sites for illegal activity? They already have permission to watch whatever they want with the wonderful patriot act in play. And here's bobbie with yet more words of wit. You were missed bobbie...by whom I have no idea, but I'm sure someone did.

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American

Jan-28-13 2:05 PM

The only real way to prove or disprove your statements would be for you (under the supervision of some conservatives on here) to buy them online from your home and get them shipped to you.

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Marcia

Jan-28-13 1:59 PM

You can disagree with me all you want, facts are facts. Disprove me.

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Marcia

Jan-28-13 9:28 AM

"In most states you can legally buy guns online without a background check, and online transactions account for forty per cent of US gun sails." bluemassgroup-dot-com/2012/12/guns-that-you-can-legally-buy-online/

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Marcia

Jan-28-13 9:27 AM

"While all licensed dealers are required to subject their sellers to a background check, the same rule does not apply to unlicensed, private dealers, many of whom use sites like Armslist, Gun Listings, and Glock Talk to sell weapons." thedailybeast-dot-com/articles/2012/12/13/armslist-lawsuit-seeks-to-punish-online-gun-seller-narrow-loophoole-in-law.html

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Marcia

Jan-28-13 9:22 AM

Interesting how everyone attacked me personally when I showed proof that guns can be bought on-line without a background check. Google it and you get thousands of hits. Here's one: "But legal loopholes that have long undermined enforcement of this prohibition in traditional markets are proving even more serious in the digital space. In the words of an ATF spokesman, “If people are inclined to break the law, the internet provides them with more sources.”3 It can also provide them with the relative anonymity in which criminal activity can thrive. Every day, firearms transactions are conducted on thousands of websites among largely anonymous actors. Criminal buyers who once had to purchase in person can now prowl hundreds of thousands of listings to find unscrupulous sellers. Negotiations can be conducted from the discreet remove of a phone call or an email exchange." From a report done by NYC. fixgunchecks-dot-s3-dot-amazonaws-dot com/191/6b/c/683/1/nyc_pointclickfire.pdf

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robert

Jan-28-13 9:08 AM

paranoid conspiracy at its finest...

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MikeDavis

Jan-28-13 8:57 AM

Judeye, apparently you haven't been listening. There have been a multitude of suggestions to lower the gun violence. Number one was take care of the nut jobs. Number two was properly store them so no one can get to them but the owner. But please keep shouting that the only answer is to ban them. History has proven time and again banning things works so well. Hey, let's just ban illegal aliens, that will stop that problem too, correct?

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judeye

Jan-28-13 8:49 AM

I note..when I asked what changes gun owners (like ME) would suggest..I see NOT ONE of you could come up with any. Much easier to just start shouting about how any gun should be legal and no one should have to have a background check..nor should we keep a national registry for guns..and heaven forbid if someone comes in and stocks up on ammo should the authorities be alerted.

Thanks for trying to think of how to reduce the violence in our society. The gun violence that kills hundreds every week.

The only ideas I have heard so far from the NRA (which I hope all of you understand represents the gun manufactures not gun owners)..is for MORE GUNS. As if that should come to any surprise given who butters their bread.

More guns over preventing a shooting of another child. What priorities you all have....

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