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Frewsburg residents attend gun appreciation rally

February 24, 2013

By GAVIN PATERNITI Special to the OBSERVER FREWSBURG — Area residents are taking a stand in the fight to protect their Second Amendment rights....

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concerned

Feb-26-13 12:07 AM

judeye I believe the majority of gun related deaths are from pistols used in robberies, drive bye's etc. also I doubt the size of the clip makes much difference as it does not take many shots to bring a person down. You are using the high profile school shootings to push your agenda these shootings are being comitted by mentally ill people and represent a fraction of gun related deaths each year!

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American

Feb-26-13 12:05 AM

They don't want real ideas or suggestions because then they might have to quit blaming that cold lifeless hunk of metal. How dare you suggest anything that might really work. It is the guns not the mentally insane mass murderers that would find another way to do it anyway. They are just poor misunderstood people.

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1Laona

Feb-25-13 8:07 PM

Go ahead Judeye,Roadglide gave you some ideas.

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Roadglide

Feb-25-13 7:54 PM

Judeye how can gun violence be curbed in our country??? Hmmm let's put the criminals with illegal guns in jail, stop straw purchases, have a better background check system, address the mental health issue, how about parents being parents and addressing issues and discipline. All the safe act and other unconstitutional laws are doing are making law abiding citizens outlaws. Ohh but wait cuomo, Obama, etc have armed guards to protect them and their children but a normal citizen can't. And bidens choice of a double barrel shotgun really. He's a joke.

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kcw007

Feb-25-13 7:42 PM

Judeye, Your brother in law owns "many" guns but none of them can be considered an "assault weapon"? You're saying that he owns no semiauto's with detachable magazines? You're certain of that are you? The odds are that somebody that owns "many" would have at least one, if not more.

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American

Feb-25-13 7:20 PM

Most anti gunners and liberals like it with the blinders on. That is why the person who passed this un-SAFE ACT was elected to start with.

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Roadglide

Feb-25-13 6:44 PM

Judeye what can be done to curb gun violence? Lock up the criminals that have illegal guns. Supposed assault weapons are rarely used and in fact it's handguns. So get rid of the illegal guns, criminals, straw purchases, moms taking their mentally deranged son shooting, and this is just for starters. By making the safe act and other illegal gun laws across the country all your doing is making law abiding citizens outlaws. I will await 1laonas response as well. I think you should take 1laona up on the bus ride offer you may open your eyes to the clearer picture

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Roadglide

Feb-25-13 6:40 PM

Judeye what can be done to curb gun violence? Lock up the criminals that have illegal guns. Supposed assault weapons are rarely used and in fact it's handguns. So get rid of the illegal guns, criminals, straw purchases, moms taking their mentally deranged son shooting, and this is just for starters. By making the safe act and other illegal gun laws across the country all your doing is making law abiding citizens outlaws. I will await 1laonas response as well. I think you should take 1laona up on the bus ride offer you may open your eyes to the clearer picture

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kcw007

Feb-25-13 6:17 PM

kcw correction: Previous post should read; "I have yet to hear the rational of why THESE weapons need to not be banned.."

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kcw007

Feb-25-13 6:11 PM

1Laona, I've now come to understand too that Judeye isn't serious, doesn't intend to "understand" a darn thing; rather she's enjoying the role of "provacateur" and just keeps going around and around for her enjoyment. After all of the technical explanation that's been given over the past month and a half on this site she still makes the statement:"I have yet to hear the rationale of why there weapons need not be banned." Any attentive 10 year should have been able to figure out "what's what" by now. She either ingores or dismisses whatever is said and starts right back in again. What's the point of even talking to somebody with an attitude like that to begin with?

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RipleyResident

Feb-25-13 4:34 PM

Judeye - you keep asking us why rifles like the AR-15 should remain legal. Can you answer why the features on the list make these guns any more dangerous? Any semi-automatic .223 rifle is just as lethal as any other, so why does a pistol grip or type of stock matter?

These laws make no good sense. I understand the logic behind thinking that some guns aren't necessary, but a large part of the anger comes from making laws that don't make sense. And the new list of evil features in the SAFE act is longer than the old one. People worry that as time goes on, more features will be added. Politicians may ask "who needs an accu-trigger?" On top of this, many people have a lot of money invested in gun collections, just randomly picking guns and saying that "you can't have that anymore", is unnerving.

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judeye

Feb-25-13 3:25 PM

I appreciate some of the comments..like RR...

I am trying to understand the issues. I admit I do not know very much about guns. I only know one of my brother in laws has many of them..but not one of them is considered an assault weapon, even under the new safe law.

I am trying to understand what we can do to reduce gun violence in our country. I do think that banning some kinds of weapons and ammo is PART of a possible plan. I have yet to hear the rationale of why these weapons need to not be banned..other than "it is our right". What function do they serve? Why are so many insistent that they remain legal? What other ideas do you have that you think WOULD WORK?

Putting an armed gun person at the door of every school..to me is FAR from the answer. Neither is arming our teachers or giving everyone a gun.

I do not think anyone addressed...that back in the day...Wyatt Earp himself OUTLAWED guns in town. He thought less guns= less violence.

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judeye

Feb-25-13 3:18 PM

1Laona..I just went through the list of comments. The only comment I saw from you was regarding the rally..not any that discussed what we might be able to do to decrease gun violence in our country.

Did I just miss it?

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RipleyResident

Feb-25-13 12:01 PM

The AR-15 that we are talking about is a semi-automatic only version of the gun that is not capable of automatic or burst fire. It is NOT the same gun that is available to the military. It cannot easily be converted to this functionality and it is certainly not legal to do so. It is not the same gun that the military is using as either the M16 or M4.

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RipleyResident

Feb-25-13 11:53 AM

judeye - Am I to understand that if there is no good course of action, we should just do the wrong thing?

You want to know what we need to do? Discipline our children and raise them right.

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1Laona

Feb-25-13 11:19 AM

Judeye,people disagree with even your questions because after awhile we realize thats your strategy.When I first came on this board you asked what I thought we should do.I told you but you just keep asking and asking.Kind of like a Nancy Pelosi"Are you serious"You don't seem sincere Judeye.

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Roadglide

Feb-25-13 9:13 AM

Judeye you honestly don't have a clue. An AR15 and M16 look similar but are not the same with the AR being semiautomatic only. An AR15 and AR 10 are used for deer and coyote hunting to name a few. There are numerous firearms that use .223 and .308 should we get rid of all of these judeye. Many people have ar's and high capacity mags who also hold a NY pistol permit. Now all of the sudden they can't be trusted because cuomo shoves a law through. Now these gun owners must sell or get rid of their legally owned property for the safety of the people. GIVE ME A BREAK. As far as recent shootings particularly newtown. If this mentally deranged nut would have been medicated and a mother being a parent instead a buddy with her son maybe this would not have happen. Lets see the nut blackened out his room with violent video games and isn't right so his mother thought it would be good bonding to teach him to shoot. Brilliant idea!!! The safe act is taking rights away from citizens plane and simpl

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kcw007

Feb-25-13 8:10 AM

Judeye, Instant coffee was first developed and supplied as a moral booster for troopsin the trenches during WWI. The Jeep was designed under a military contract just before WWII. It could tow trailers of ammunition and the 75mm Pac Howitzers to the front for use against the enemy. As they were designed expressly for military use should it also be prohibited from civilian uses? There are any number of items in common use today that were orginally developed for military use. Are they somehow tainted due to to their origin? The first group of weapons mentioned in my post @ 24FEB, 2:45p were specifically designed for combat use and yet their basic technology is carried on in a huge % of cilivian arms seen today. Should they be banned? If so, why? Also why is a 742 Remington a more appropriate arm for hunting than an AR 10? You didn't address that. Also the increased penalties for gun use are like the ones for drunk driving; of little consequence if the courts don't enforce them.

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:38 AM

localresident...thank you. I just get a bit sensitive to the use of that word in a derogatory manner..though I knew what you meant. Still appreciate you realizing it. Thanks!!

"The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963."

Military use was the purpose of its original design.

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:33 AM

kcw007...those are some great ideas.

Part of the new NY gun law does part of that...giving stiffer penalties to people who use guns during crimes. Maybe it does not go far enough. Perhaps we should say NO plea bargains on weapon charges. What do you think?

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:30 AM

American..."of the 11 homicides in York City in 2012,"

Something is working isn't it!!!!

Wow that is a low number for an entire city for an entire year. Wonder if it has anything to do with the gun restrictions in place?

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:29 AM

kcw007...what were they DESIGNED for?

The weapons I listed were specifically designed for COMBAT USE. Now someone may now want to use them on a firing range or somewhere else..but that is not their initial function. They were made to be used in combat..ie to kill humans.

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:26 AM

concerned...thanks at least you gave an idea.

However, not sure how we would "force the mentally ill to take their meds". Would you make it a law, so if they did not take them they would be jailed? How would you define mental illness? If someone is depressed and prescribed anti depressant, but then refuses to take it would they be jailed as well?

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judeye

Feb-25-13 7:23 AM

So five people disagree with me when I ask what you would do to help reduce gun violence in our country if not to ban some kind of weapons and some kinds of ammo.

Disagree with a question?

Really none of you have any ideas other than to scream that no restrictions should be placed on any type of gun or ammo?

Glad to know that at least some people in our State are able to look at the overall picture and discuss and debate real solutions rather than just sit around and whine and complain with no ideas on how to address the CRISIS with gun violence in our country.

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SmallTownSmallMind

Feb-24-13 9:39 PM

Okay guys, I am beginning to understand the reasons you are angry with Cuomo. I think there is a good chance that you are right about him sneaking his SAFE Act through because of a future run at the white house. I can also go along with your opinion that a lot of these guns being banned will not change crime at all. However, no one has answered my question about this tyrannical government stuff. What is this all about??? I understand having these guns for target competitions or even just to have them as long as they don't end up in the hands of people mentally unstable, which you are all in support of. I do not understand having to have them to fight against a tyrannical government. Here's where I think you guys go a little overboard. Even if you did have all the guns you wanted, how in the world would you protect yourself from the government's firepower? I am lost here, guys. Can someone explain why the tyrranical gov't wants to totally disarm the public?

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