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Fracking exploration

‘Shale expert’ gives presentation

February 27, 2013

PORTLAND — Dr. Anthony Ingraffea spoke to a packed house at Cornell University’s Lake Erie Research and Extension Laboratory Tuesday....

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Preston

Mar-01-13 4:38 PM

judeye- Try doing your own research for once in your life rather than relying on what others tell you. Better yet, go speak to Dr. Lash personally. His office is located in Houghton Hall on the SUNY Fredonia campus.

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judeye

Mar-01-13 9:26 AM

Preston...sorry I miscalled him.

So why would you think that Dr Lash is an expert while you think Dr Ingraffea is not?

What credentials does one have that the other does not that would make one an "expert" and not the other one?

Is it because you agree with one, but not the other?

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Preston

Feb-28-13 9:00 PM

judeye- The name is Lash, not Lesch.

And yes, I have seen Ingraffea's accolades. They still don't make him a shale expert.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 8:21 PM

doubleringer54..my concern is that there may not be any way to do it right. Mistakes and leaks could destroy our water supply. I have heard of no way to get them out if they get into the water. I have concerns with how much water is needed..how much land is needed..chemicals and the air pollution.

Both sides of the energy issues promote what they want. Only problem I see though is one side has tons of money that they give to our elected officials to... you tell me.

Again..another example of why we MUST get the money out. I have a very hard time trusting one of our elected officials to really advocate for what is best for us..when they get so much money from the oil and gas industry.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 8:15 PM

Preston..it is not just because some reporter called him an expert...but did you look at his credentials? his awards?

Now..I think it would be great if Dr Lesch had shown up..or maybe they could do another one..with a debate on this issue..and have both of them

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DaveMiller

Feb-28-13 7:04 PM

The DOE study that you reference is a power point presentation, not a peer reviewed article. Two of the three authors are not DOE employees, but employees of a firm that consults for the petroleum industry. If Ingraffeas conclusions about methane leakage were that off base, it seems that other scientists would have done a similar peer-reviewed study to refute him. This is only one of many dimensions to this issue.

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doubleringer54

Feb-28-13 3:52 PM

Judeye, You're right about Energy In Depth and I was just about to post that. I am pro-fracking as long as it's done right and it truly is getting better every day. There have been improvements in regulations, drilling fluids, waste recycling, disclosure, etc. The drilling industry understands more fully that being a good social neighbor may cost more up front but will pay big returns down the road. Pro-environmentalists, I believe, can understand this. Not the antis. They are closed minded and open mouthed. Today they're against fracking, tomorrow they'll be anti-something else.

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Preston

Feb-28-13 2:03 PM

judeye- Just because he is called a shale expert by a newspaper reporter, doesn't make it fact. Dr. Ingraffea's knowledge lies in engineering, not stratigraphy.

If you truly want to speak to someone who is recognized as an internationally known shale expert, contact Dr. Gary Lash. He teaches at SUNY Fredonia in the Geosciences Dept. His research is nothing but shale. In fact Dr. Lash was named as one of the Top global Thinkers for making the Marcellus shale a household name.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 10:09 AM

localresident...ok...finally got it..and was able to read the study that refutes that drilling in shale is worse than burning coal.

BOTH ARE HARMFUL though to our environment. Are we really spitting hairs on which one is worse..rather than concentrating on we have to reduce BOTH and all that is impacting our environment..ie impacting the climate.

There is NO DISPUTE with top climate scientists that climate change is occurring...happening at a faster rate than most scientists have projected in the past...and that YES humans are at least partly responsible for it. Meaning that we humans can do something to at least slow it down...Hopefully people will stop with all the disputing of FACTS and scientific evidence..before it is too late.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:53 AM

Preston...You clearly have not read his bio have you? Sure sounds like a leading expert in this field to me.

Oh and I did not post all of his awards and accomplishment and recognition for his work and research in this area. Including ones from NASA and TIME mag... Try a Google search.

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:49 AM

doubleringer54...and the Energy In Depth..where you got this information is funded by OPAA (Independent Petroleum Assoc of America) and the Northeast Marcellus Initiative.

Do you really think that they would be objective?

I could not find the original source for the study from Carnegie Mellon. If you have it would you post it please?

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judeye

Feb-28-13 9:32 AM

Oh look here...found some of his credentials....

"He has taught structural mechanics, finite element methods,and fracture mechanics at Cornell since 1977.

Dr. Ingraffea's research concentrates on computer simulation and physical testing of complex fracturing processes. He and his students performed pioneering research in the use of interactive computer graphics in computational mechanics. He has authored with his students over 200 papers in these areas. ...Professor Ingraffea has received numerous awards his outstanding teaching at Cornell..He was named Co-Editor-in-Chief of Engineering Fracture Mechanics in 2005, received the ASTM Irwin Award for meritorious contributions to the practice of fracture mechanics in 2006, and was named a Fellow of the International Congress on Fracture in 2009. In 2011, TIME Magazine named him one of its "People Who Mattered".

Looks like he is well educated in this field..in fact one of the LEADING EXPERTS.

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roberta2

Feb-28-13 7:45 AM

YEP its me !&$()!^((*%!! Roberta again---no long term benfits from shale gas-- already hired crews--just like the old days> drill destroy and take till its gone--wind power would help a lot but every town ship has vote down---the wind and sun will get better IF we stop killing it---and our water there is no place around here were its pure except at my home were i totally pureafie it--do i wish that we all not beable to not heat our homes----NO -we need to do postive things to help our world--

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Carlaw

Feb-28-13 6:19 AM

"Higher Educators" examine and discuss all viewpoints and present them to the public for consideration. My, my, what a terrible thing to do!

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:48 PM

So, this is what "higher educators" do? Nice. No indoctrination there at all. Noooo-siree. Well, at least it cost the students a lot to be lied to. I bet that looks good on their resumes while looking for their first jobs.

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:43 PM

Actually, this article has links to the aforementioned university studies discrediting Howarth & Ingraffea:

marcellusdrilling . com/2011/05/howarth-ingraffea-shale-gas-study-on-global-warming-discredited-by-u-s-department-of-energy/

Go to the bottom to see the links.

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localresident

Feb-27-13 9:34 PM

For DaveMiller, here you go:

www . energyindepth . org/wp-content/uploads//2013/01/EID_Howarth_fact_sheet5.pdf

Funny, how if you use the guise of environmentally healthy, the left won't even question it. It got Judeye hook, line, and sinker.

The Pied Piper doesn't need to prove his music is any good, he only need play his instrument.

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Preston

Feb-27-13 8:56 PM

The study was funded by the Sierra Club.

DaveMiller- google "ingraffea study discredited" Too many sources to post here.

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concerned

Feb-27-13 8:36 PM

Just one question who paid for the study?

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DaveMiller

Feb-27-13 6:05 PM

Preston and Doubleringer54, please post the sources for the Cornell and MIT studies that you mentioned. Thanks

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popawheelie

Feb-27-13 5:59 PM

its the greatest thing since peanut butter and jelly, just don't put one near my well.

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Preston

Feb-27-13 3:37 PM

Dr. Ingraffea is NOT a shale expert. He has never worked with shales nor has he ever been in the field looking at the rocks. He is not a geologist. He is on the circuit promoting his own views and making money. Even Cornell University came out against Dr. Ingraffea's study as being flawed.

He never mentioned the CO2 loading has decreased since we have been using less coal and more natural gas.

As for his view we can be fossil fuel free by 2030, keep on dreaming. We still have to build a better grid system and figure out how to eliminate the baseload energy(coal or natural gas) when the wind decreases or stops blowing or the sun refuses to shine.

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killers

Feb-27-13 12:11 PM

wow, talk about not being unbiased. He was sponsored by all the groups that are against fossil fuels. Remember if there were all these catastrophic problems this process would not be expanding across the county. Remember many of these same arguments were made in the early 70's and nothing ever came of them. One thing i do find ironic is how anti drilling these people are and the footprint that is left is for the most part is temporary. However, these same people have no problem building new highways and roads which are the most environmentally unfriendly projects that can be done and are forever.

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doubleringer54

Feb-27-13 11:27 AM

Dr' Ingraffea is described as a professor of engineering at Cornell and a "shale expert." But this description, like his arguments, is only half true. Ingraffea is also the president of the Physicians, Scientists, and Engineers for Healthy Energy, a rabid anti-fracking group partially funded by the Park Foundation, another rabidly anti-fracking group. No bias here, eh? Ingraffea goes on about the harmful effects of methane and has previously published a study in 2011 expounding on his theory. This study was reviewed and discredited by the likes of Cornell University, MIT, Carnegie Mellon, and the Clean Air Task Force. I didn't hear him mention this little fact. He supports increased use of nuclear power. No mention of that,either. Like all anti-frackers, as opposed to pro-environmentalists, he reaches his conclusions and then cherry picks the facts to support it. This is the exact opposite of what real experts do.

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Regelski

Feb-27-13 10:34 AM

The underlying problem is whether or not to continue to promote our appetite for environmentally disadvantageous sources of energy. A side effect, of course, is the local contamination of the environment. I've never understood why good God loving Christians of a conservative persuasion are not interested in protecting God's handiwork? Do they not see the contradiction? They're greed and ideology against the environment is, from this perspective, anti-Christian. The root motive of "conservationism" ought to be to conserve what God has ordained. End of sermon.

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