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Gun laws already exist

March 3, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: There have been many opinions in the Dunkirk OBSERVER in reference to gun control....

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 6:37 AM

All guns are protected by laws because our spineless politicians won't do the right thing.

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judeye

Mar-03-13 9:15 AM

I admit I do not know much about guns. I do know that I support hunting and guns for protection (like when hiking in Alaska)

I looked up the guns banned by the SAFE law. Now I did not have time to look all of them up. I randomly choose three weapons. ALL of the three I choose..each was made and designed for COMBAT use. coincidence?

What is wrong with a national background check? What is wrong with making ALL gun sales have to undergo a background check? What is wrong with banning SOME kind of weapons (like those designed for use in combat) and some kinds of ammo (like those that can fire 30 bullets in 15 sec). Who can be against more help for mentally ill and a requirement if a patient starts to tell their therapist that they want to go on a killing spree the therapist must report it to the police?

Before you just hit disagree button...put in what YOU would suggest to try to reduce gun violence in our country that is taking so many innocent lives every day

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ReasonableCitizen

Mar-03-13 10:50 AM

In his haste to make a name for himself the Gov. did not even take the time care that this law makes all law enforcement officers in violation. Not even a thought when he was looking in the mirror with his eyes on the White House.

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1Laona

Mar-03-13 11:38 AM

Judeye,Christopher,here's an idea.Make a sign(GUNS DON'T MAKE YOU SAFE),put on a stick,one of you pick Chicago-one D.C.,wait 'til dark,march down streets until you gather a crowd,take a poll of crowd,report back to us on results of the poll.If you need more input your group can send Regulateski SE and Marcia to NYC and LA.

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 11:44 AM

1Laona, if you weren't such a reactionary, yo9u'd see that SOME people are for SOME REASONABLE control!! That doesn't mean they're ANTI-GUN, which you seem to consider the same thing. Hard to argue with someone that obtuse.

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 11:47 AM

By the way, I'd be perfectly comfortable walking where you suggested with a S&W .38 or better yet, .357. I wouldn't need an assault rifle nor a 17 shot magazine. I could also pass any psychological test or background check required. But you're against changing even that, so I guess it's ok to continue allowing seriously mentally ill people or criminals to buy all the weapons and any kind of weapon they want.

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MikeDavis

Mar-03-13 12:20 PM

Perfect. Hey, I have a great idea that all the control advocates should love. Let's just make it illegal to have a bad thought! Yeah, that's the problem! It isn't some random gun getting up and starting to shoot innocent people. It isn't a knife jumping out of it's drawer or holder that is slicing and stabbing innocent people. It's those darned bad thoughts. Thoughts of a crazy person. Let's just outlaw those and everything will be fine. Wow, I can't believe I thought that up before Barry and Andy did... Now that that problem is solved lets move onto something really pressing, instead of political "points" being made by a knee jerk reaction to the insane segment of society that makes a significantly larger segment into instant criminals. Anyone needing this type of "governemnt" has a lot more problems than being scared the guy down the block might have a fancy weapon. (con't.)

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MikeDavis

Mar-03-13 12:21 PM

You need to grow up, grow a spine, and realize with freedoms there is some that will use those freedoms for purposes never intended. That doesn't make it right to curb, stop, step on or twist that freedom.

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1Laona

Mar-03-13 12:28 PM

Christopher,what is being asked for IS unreasonable gun control.As far as passing a Psych and Med test that would depend on who,why and whether they wanted you to pass.I'd also suggest to take a few speed-loaders with you for your six-gun(make sure you train first-you might have to be quick and you'll have to put your sign down to reload).Either you haven't followed our suggestions to Judeye to free up law-enforcment by giving them access to mental health data bases or you'll get a down check on your psych evaluation.

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American

Mar-03-13 12:57 PM

1Laona and Mike, you are butting your heads against a brick wall when you try to deal with these people. They are willing to give up their rights for a false sense of security. After the 2nd what one will they be willing to give up next? Maybe the equal rights one then freedom of speech?

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 1:10 PM

Any of the staunchest anti-gun control people on here have a LOT of nerve talking about banging your heads against a wall! None of you will budge one inch, yet accuse anyone trying to gain ANY improvement to the current situation to be trying to take your guns. You say it's a mental health issue, yet fight that as well. You say it's an issue of criminals, yet fight any efforts to control that. And 1Laona, since half those criminal types can't hit the broadside of a barn without spraying 20 shots, I'd be comfortable with my 6 shooter, as I CAN hit what I aim at. I mean, placing a kill shot from the average street distance is NOT hard at all for even an average shooter. It's the willingness that's the issue. I'm not Rambo, but have "been there, done that". How about that Texas cop fired for shooting at a suspect 21 times, EVENTUALLY killing him after ramming his truck? 21 times!!!? 2 reloads!!? Yep, good shot there.

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American

Mar-03-13 1:17 PM

No one is fighting mental health issues. Start training teachers, parents, clergy anyone who spends time with kids in profiling them for mental health issues. Stop it early not wait till they go nuts and then lay the blame on everything but insanity as the cause. Restore the death penalty as hopefully a deterrent to crime. Start teaching these kids that they are responsible for what they do. That it is NOT societies, their parents the schools etc fault for what they do but their own. Create a national mental health registry and register those with problems. Put them on a do not sell to list. But leave the legal gun owners alone. You will never keep guns from criminals hands by stopping legal owners from having them. Anyone who believes you will is just wearing feel good blinders.

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 3:03 PM

That's fine American. The problem is, all the gun nuts are fighting ANY reasonable and effective restriction on purchases by ANYBODY!!!! What possible excuse is there to resist having all gun sales requiring a background check, even private sales? It wouldn't keep one legitimate citizen from getting a gun. But no, we can't do that either. That's what the Indians called "speaking with forked tongues".

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American

Mar-03-13 3:20 PM

No we are fighting any restrictions for legal gun owners and buyers. The gun phobe liberal feel good left wing crackpots just can't understand that.

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American

Mar-03-13 3:22 PM

Background checks lead to registration which leads to people like Obama and Cuomo and their ilk knowing who has them and it is none of their da*ned business.

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Christopher

Mar-03-13 4:29 PM

"Background checks lead to registration which leads to people like Obama and Cuomo and their ilk knowing who has them and it is none of their da*ned business." I rest my case. This isn't an example of defending the Constitution, this is an example of almost clinical paranoia. Cars have to be registered and licensed, but guns don't!!? Too ridiculous to even discuss this any further.

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American

Mar-03-13 4:37 PM

Then quit discussing it. I can think of anyone in and on the right who will try and stop you. Those who believe in the 2nd Amendment and ownership of guns are in the right. The rest not so much.

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judeye

Mar-03-13 4:38 PM

1Laona..ha ha ha

As Christopher said..and something you do not seem to understand..I am not ANTI GUN. We have a gun in our home right now. My brother in law has written several books on hunting (some of the best by the way) I have eaten game of all sorts and know how to cook it,. including getting the 'wild' taste out.

It is some kinds of weapons and some kinds of ammo that I think if they were restricted would help to reduce gun violence in our country.

As I said in my comment..looking for other ideas. Apparently you do not have any.

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judeye

Mar-03-13 4:43 PM

American..I am just curious do you then think that the restriction against owning a machine gun should be repealed? Is there any weapon that you think should be restricted..and if so...which and why?

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judeye

Mar-03-13 4:45 PM

American..are you also against registering cars and boats? Or is this just for guns that you resist registration?

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American

Mar-03-13 4:47 PM

Automatic weapons are and should be illegal and those are the only guns that should be. The so called "assault weapons" are not automatic weapons. Nor are they belt fed as most machine guns are. A semi-automatic gun is not a true "assault weapon" any more the a 5 round shotgun is.

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American

Mar-03-13 4:48 PM

Guns are a right given to us by the Constitution, as is freedom of speech. Cars and boats are not.

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American

Mar-03-13 4:53 PM

What part of the Constitution other then the 2nd would you be willing to have restricted even more then they are now? Would you be willing to give up freedom of speech except as government approved. Or only use words that are on an approved list? Or maybe constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom of religion. Only have a state approved religion or list to chose from?

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judeye

Mar-03-13 5:00 PM

We already have plenty of restrictions on our freedoms of speech, press and religion.

Most are for the good of the people so we agree as a people to the restrictions. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater..or writing something that is completely untrue and damaging about another person.

What rights would you be willing to give up to help reduce gun violence? The guns I looked up...each one of them had been designed for COMBAT..ie killing humans.

What about machine guns? Should they be unrestricted? What about the sign outside of our County building that restricts weapons in the building. Should we repeal this?

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Truthteller

Mar-03-13 5:07 PM

You gun extremists need to look at years of Supreme Court history restricting gun use in consonance with the second amendment. You would have to be against the Constitution to be against the second amendment. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is for the second amendment. But what reasonable governing and people realize is that interpretation MUST account for the gap between 18th century definitions of "arms" and 21st century definitions. Legal precedents from the second amendment on trend toward control and restriction. It is only recently that "hands off" has meant no restrictions ever for anything. So what about it? What do you say we allow the sale of drones and SAM's? Why not? They exist, therefore they're Constitutional.

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