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Silver Creek man charged under NY SAFE Act

March 15, 2013

HANOVER — A Silver Creek man has been charged under the NY SAFE Act for the alleged sale of illegal guns. Benjamin M....

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KeepinItReal4U

Mar-15-13 4:40 AM

So I suppose they will make an example out of him! Although I am kinda iffy about assault weapons- my theory is this on guns.If some lunatic wants to carry out some outlandish blood bath that person will be destined to find a way to get the weapon of choice (guns) whether if they are outlawed or not.The black market,maybe he will build one, who knows.Or maybe he will decide to use another method instead>>bombs-exploding robots-tnt-whatever! Laws are not going to stop lunatics from their final ultimate goal.When a person has their heart & mind set on doing something>>they won't stop til they succeed.So what new law will be next? Ban selling big turkey carving knives,or steak knives or better yet ban the use of bow & arrow which men use to hunt!! I'm against all the killings but I'm also against the ppl of the United States getting more rights taken away.

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KeepinItReal4U

Mar-15-13 4:48 AM

Wonder how the 2 hooked up to begin with? Did someone he know set this up? Are their ads on the internet or newspaper enticing ppl to call so they can sell their assault weapons?It's just ironic how 2 total strangers meet & make gun sales & the just so happens to be law enforcement..The $ that was given for the 1st gun was a loss to the detective's investigators dept so this person will have to probably pay it back within the restitution he will have to pay along with his court fees.Live & learn

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OURnotgonalikeme

Mar-15-13 5:28 AM

Scream all you want about "lost rights" but in essentially this guy sold weapons out of his car to people without any sort of paperwork or anything. People like this should be brought up on terrorism, because if he would sell it to undercover cops posing as buyers without knowing he would/could sell it to some extreme idiot. Know I have no problem with gun owners and guns themselves, but before there are a thousand comments here about protecting our rights, think about the act, here is a guy willing to sell weapons to anyone in a parking lot.

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OURnotgonalikeme

Mar-15-13 5:37 AM

Here, I'll start the "stupid" arguments for you all. The police must have set him up. He is a "God Fearing" kid who only sells guns to feed poor orphan children. He is a crusader who is standing up for all of us and our 2nd ammendment rights, because our country's founders who all sell weapons at the local greasy spoon.

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Christopher

Mar-15-13 6:16 AM

This is exactly how criminals get guns. The gun nuts want to leave it alone, no checks for private sales or gun shows.

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Cassadaga14718

Mar-15-13 7:28 AM

I think all gun owners should get together. Go to Hanover and picket the town court. Nazi's putting their boot on our necks.

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Roadglide

Mar-15-13 7:30 AM

Christopher and ournotgonalikeme I won't even explain how disgusted I am and why this happened to this person seeing that you both have your head so far up cuomo and BOH $$$ you can't comprehend what happened here. Oh and please not let me not forget Judeye as your head is in the same warm, moist, dark spot!!!

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Roadglide

Mar-15-13 7:31 AM

I'm in cassadaga, its a matter of finding out the court date. Hopefully foley is worthless with this case like so many others.

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Captain

Mar-15-13 7:49 AM

I'm not a gun owner, but this short video regarding Australia's new gun laws is a real eye opener. It truly supports opponents of anti-gun laws. I'm particularly interested in what Christopher has to say about it.

Tighten up the link by eliminating the spaces.

***** : // www . youtube . com / watch _ popup ?v=fGaDAThOHhA

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Captain

Mar-15-13 7:51 AM

The first 5 characters edited out are h t t p s

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RipleyResident

Mar-15-13 8:21 AM

I'm slightly confused about exactly what part of the unSAFE act he violated. It was my understanding that if a gun store still had an "assault weapon" in inventory, that they can be sold up until 4/15/13. Private sale background checks do not start until today (3/15) but not sure that is even possible, did they even release a form yet? High cap magazines don't have to be gone until 4/15/14, and the same date for the "assault weapon" registration. Problem with this law, besides the fact that it violates our 2nd amendment in so many ways, is that it is hard to figure out what is and isn't ok to do. Here is a question I still don't have an answer to: Until 4/15 I am still allowed to have 10 rounds in a 10 round mag. I don't have to dispose of any "high cap" magazines (pre-94 15 round) until next april. So, am I still legally allowed to carry 15 rounds for the next month? It isn't really clear.

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Christopher

Mar-15-13 8:24 AM

The guy sells a gun to a stranger who TELLS the guy he has a felony conviction, and you idiots support him!!!? Yep, the "nuts" in "gun nuts". And I'm sure you're all staunch "Law and Order" types. What a joke.

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Christopher

Mar-15-13 8:26 AM

Captain, I don't care what Austria does. I support CERTAIN laws here, but not even close to a banning of private arms. Unfortunately, in this country, if you support any restriction, you're labeled anti-gun, which I'm not.

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Christopher

Mar-15-13 8:29 AM

A great many people who support some sort of Gun Control wouldn't either, and wouldn't support it here.

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Christopher

Mar-15-13 8:30 AM

OOPs...Australia. I remember when this happened.

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RipleyResident

Mar-15-13 8:37 AM

Christopher - what about an AR15 makes it more lethal than a M1 Garand? The pistol grip or the significantly less powerful .223 chambering?

I am not necessarily defending this guy. Honestly, if he broke a law, he should be punished. I would never sell a firearm to a felon, but under current law, is it illegal to do so? Or just poor judgement.

Don't worry, we'll all be safer when all the thumbhole stocks and bayonet lugs are gone.

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DarkStar

Mar-15-13 8:38 AM

RipleyResident,

Yeah I'm curious how he broke a law that wasn't in effect yet, although the anti-gun fanatics haven't let facts get in their way before, why should they in this case?

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Roadglide

Mar-15-13 9:14 AM

From the photos there is most likely violations of the law. BS violations mind you that I will not post to give more LE who are ignorant about firearms more fire power to arrest innocent people.

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judeye

Mar-15-13 9:16 AM

So Captain I went there and watched the video..

but did you look into it further?

Politifact "The number of gun homicides fell from 69 in 1996 (excluding the 35 victims of the mass shooting prompting the laws) to 30 in 2012.

That’s a decrease of 56.5 percent. They found the buyback program drove down firearm suicides by almost 80 percent, with no significant change in suicides that didn’t use guns. But the effect on homicides, while of "similar magnitude," was less precise, they wrote — perhaps between 35 and 50 percent. "

Still unclear if the gun control law was responsible for this decrease..but there ya go...a ban on some kinds of assault weapons and the number of deaths due to guns went down.

Oh by the way...this is NOT my opinion...I am only posting a FACT.

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judeye

Mar-15-13 9:21 AM

"The guy sells a gun to a stranger who TELLS the guy he has a felony conviction, and you idiots support him!!!? Yep, the "nuts" in "gun nuts". And I'm sure you're all staunch "Law and Order" types. What a joke."

Amen Christopher

This is not even close to a debate over gun laws. This person broke the law. (debate what law but if he was arrested and charged my guess is that they clearly know the law under which they charged him)

He says he is a convicted FELON and the person still sells an assault weapon to him? What about the mandated background checks that many of you insisted have been in NY and work fine? I wonder if he had been selling a machine gun would you defend him just as much? Where is the limit? Oh..and this is my opinion.

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Captain

Mar-15-13 9:22 AM

I'm not saying you're wrong, Paul, I support certain gun laws, too. I'm sure many Australians who supported the same laws never expected the outcome. This video demonstrates what can happen when basic rights are "reformed."

Again, I don't own a gun, but what happened in Aus. CAN happen here, and that worries me big time.

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kcw007

Mar-15-13 9:22 AM

My understanding of the law is that at the sale/transfer of the named guns, plus those VERY MANY other guns identified only by technical discription, together with magazines of over 10 rounds; was immediately prohibited to private persons upon the signing of the law by "Prince Andrew, President in Waiting".

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RipleyResident

Mar-15-13 9:27 AM

Judeye - what was the effect on violent crime? You address suicides & homicides, but what about the home invasions & assaults?

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Captain

Mar-15-13 9:48 AM

judeye; to cite the drop in suicides as proof that restrictive gun laws are needed, and thus beneficial to society, is ridiculous. Should our govt regulate the purchase of razor blades and rope, too?

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kcw007

Mar-15-13 9:48 AM

To me, the primary offense here is knowingly selling to a felon.That's been prohibited since 1968! Other sources have the defendent responding; "...this whole felony banned for life thing, it's just stupid.", when informed by the buyer that he has a felony record. If this is true, I have NO sympathy for this guy.

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