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Goodell will continue push for regional high schools

April 22, 2013

Some members of the New York State Senate and Assembly are hoping the bill for regional schools will not be blocked this year as it has been for the past two years....

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DarkStar

Apr-25-13 7:52 AM

"DUHcronlg is wrong, as usual. He's too busy trying to sound clever than actually being clever. "

LOL!

I don't disagree, but just as with political campaigns votes on merger talks/votes get muddied up even further by special interests such as the union, which don't care about schools, taxes of financial viability.

I am not a fan of state mandates but in this case I would agree that NYS needs to take an active hand, as they do with hospitals, and form a working group to go to areas like ours and decide on consolidation.

Best case would be that their power extend beyond schools to over local services as well since the time to consolidate these things is before it bankrupts the entire county.

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Christopher

Apr-23-13 5:38 PM

I know it's popular to blame the unions, and I'm sure at the Albany level there's some truth to that, BUT, as for local efforts to merge, those failures are clearly born on the backs of the local voters, and unfortunately seem to revolve around tradition, and community identity and sports programs. BOCES as a CONCEPT is good, but not as the end model. The funding, staffing, all of that is not what would happen with a regional school. I doubt BOCES could exist as it is without being able to actually bill school districts for what they provide. That wouldn't happen with a regional school. A brand new model has to be developed, to include the services now provided by BOCES.

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Christopher

Apr-23-13 5:31 PM

DUHcronlg is wrong, as usual. He's too busy trying to sound clever than actually being clever. The mathematical formula is a joke. I do agree with one thing, and that is that I have yet to see the district voters resolve the issue. It'll have to be forced.

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DarkStar

Apr-23-13 3:55 PM

ROFL!

Good one DKexpat!

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judeye

Apr-23-13 8:17 AM

Is this the bill that would allow BOCES to run the regional high schools?

Although I support the idea of regional high schools, not so sure I would want BOCES running them.

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judeye

Apr-23-13 7:36 AM

Is this the bill that would allow BOCES to run a regional high school?

Although I think the idea of regional high schools is a good one, I am not so sure about BOCES running it.

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joew

Apr-22-13 6:48 PM

DKexpat-thanks for the chuckle

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DKexpat

Apr-22-13 5:07 PM

Done SHOUTING. LOL But ya know, some people...

Hey, guess what! I just calculated my hourly wage by dividing my annual compensation by 52 and again by 40. Pretty good!

But then I used Dc’s formula and divided by 50-60 hrs/wk to factor for the 10-20 hrs/wk of unpaid OT for evenings, weekends, meetings, out-of-town travel, etc. Then I divided it by the 78 people I manage (“the students”) to come up with a similarly-ridiculous number for “wage per employee/student.”

But then I subtracted 30% to match similar work periods. And then I used the NPV of my retirement savings, factored for my anticipated life expectancy and subtracted the “no pension” number from that.

Gee, I was feelin’ pretty good until a minute ago...where's my Prozac?

:-)

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DKexpat

Apr-22-13 4:38 PM

"Local parochialism = local voters = local voters who vote on their local school budgets = democracy, on how to spend their money (what a concept, I know...). "

Here's a concept for you, Dc - - WHY NOT GIVE THE VOTERS A CHANCE TO VOTE?

Instead - - - "the teacher's(s') pet is Sheldon Siver: The United Federation of Teachers website called Silver “our partner” and quotes him as declaring at a union rally, “I and my colleagues in the Assembly majority will be your best friends . . . in Albany.”

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DKexpat

Apr-22-13 4:34 PM

"...all days in contract, plus all teacher work done off premise)..."

Wow!! You mean someone other than EVERY WHITE-COLLAR WORKER IN AMERICA takes work home?

While ALL THOSE OTHER WORKERS put in 52 weeks/yr? (Minus vaca?)

Awwwww, poor baby! Geeeez, get a grip, man...

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DarkStar

Apr-22-13 3:05 PM

Dcronlg,

I realize you wish to break it down to make it seem like $90 a for 2-3 hour classroom time, 185 days a year, seem like it's not alot but thankfully most people can see through your B$, so instead of making a point it simply makes you seem idiotic.

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joew

Apr-22-13 2:58 PM

As I said,looney formula!

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Dcronlg

Apr-22-13 2:33 PM

Local parochialism = local voters = local voters who vote on their local school budgets = democracy, on how to spend their money (what a concept, I know...).

looney formula: Avg teacher's salary in NYS divided by hours an avg teacher works per yr (all days in contract, plus all teacher work done off premise), multiple by 8 hrs. = total teacher cost per hour. Divide by avg classroom size in NY = avg cost per hour per kid. Simple (for some; others, not so much) 8th grade algebra).

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DKexpat

Apr-22-13 1:15 PM

“Regionalization is ultimately the sole decision of a school district's voters: taxpayers, including parents.”

Not if special interests throw roadblocks in the way!

Agree with DarkStar and rumblefish. Special interests (unions) + administrative resistance + local parochialism have combined to paralyze consolidation/regionalism at the expense of both students and taxpayers.

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DarkStar

Apr-22-13 12:04 PM

rumblefish,

It's simple, teachers unions are just like any other big business and are out to protect their profits, which they get by having as many teachers employed as possible.

If the union could increse their income by 20%, but at the cost of all students being illiterate I have no doubt what the union would decide.

Finally am I the only one who finds it interesting that those here who complain about "special interests" have not, and never will, include the teachers union in that group?

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rumblefish

Apr-22-13 11:24 AM

We fall to understand why there is such blatant opposition to merging of school, townships ,and sharing services in this state, when it has been successful in other parts of this country, we can only surmise that greed is at the core, and the apple is rotting more every day

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joew

Apr-22-13 10:00 AM

Dcronig-can we use your looney formula to figure the per hour pay of CEO's,Police etc as well?

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Dcronlg

Apr-22-13 9:50 AM

Regionalization is ultimately the sole decision of a school district's voters: taxpayers, including parents.

If they don't believe there is value in regionalization, it won't happen.

Goodell, Young, et al, are key players in a dysfunctional institution, so they are the least valid to offer any opinion or guidance on any improvements.

And despite all the brouhaha about the teacher's unions, cozy jobs, blah-blah-blah, teaching a kid for $1.25/hr is a steal (do the simple math...). And when you add in the county's burden: 30% of a local school budget from property taxes and 10% of the state tax funding portion, the amount is approx $0.50/hr -- a royal steal.

None of you would EVER invest $75K in college to teach someone's brat at those rates.

But, of course, it doesn't stop you from uninformed bashing...

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DKexpat

Apr-22-13 8:25 AM

It's interesting that the union says "It's about the children" but does its best to block regional schools, enriched curricula and savings to taxpayers.

And shameful that one person(?) can block something like this in the Legislature. I wonder how much Silver gets in campaign donations from teacher and other unions...

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DarkStar

Apr-22-13 8:02 AM

Of course NYSUT opposes this as their only concern is profits, from union dues, despite their constant claims of being concerned about eduction of our youths.

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popawheelie

Apr-22-13 7:23 AM

please make this happen, it is want this and probably other counties need to happen. schools are incapable of making decisions to help a community when their jobs or retirement is on the line. force schools to merge it would be the first positive thing done for the health of this county in thirty years. this crazy monopoly has to stop.

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Christopher

Apr-22-13 6:57 AM

Somebody sure has to do something! Schools are folding left and right around here, and in a piecemeal and ridiculous fashion, hurting everyone, especially the students!

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