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A loss for ‘middle ground’

April 24, 2013

The tragedies and loss of lives this past week in Boston and West, Texas were horrific....

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Christopher

Apr-24-13 7:28 AM

Incoming!!!!!!!!!!

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Steiner

Apr-24-13 7:49 AM

vicki, exactly where are all the riots you mention ? there are daily shootings in the city, but that is considered normal now. besides, it gives fodder to people like dcronig to say, the public employee, cops, got their man, well almost as there is a code of science in the cities.And the NRA is bad ? hmmm, they get worse press than an islamic organization and who has done the most damage vicki ? Try and judge the NRA like it was islamic. we have several hundred million guns in this country . we should all be dead and we aint. Oh, not too mention the millions of tons of fertilizer and fireworks too ! Come on Vicki, why dont you compromise ? dont understand life or science ?

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judeye

Apr-24-13 8:21 AM

EVERY POLL shows that the majority of people in this Country overwhelmingly supported the bill you describe in this article.

Go to Polling Report dot com for the results of all of the leading polls. (by the way the numbers do go up and down in the polls depending on which week they conducted the poll)

Those who are in support of expanded background checks, including for purchases at gun shows and over the internet:

Fox News 82% ABC/Washington Post 86% NBC/Wall St Journal 55% want stricter laws for sales of firearms CNN/ORC 89% favor background checks from gun stores or other business that sell guns, 83% favor checks from sales at gun shows Quninnipiac University 91% support background checks for all gun sales Morning Joe/Marist Poll 87% support background checks for private sales and at gun shows

Just like the Senate now has to have super majority to pass anything, they no longer even have to do the will of the people. MONEY STILL TALKS...and the BULL STILL WALKS

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DKexpat

Apr-24-13 8:22 AM

Paul, that made me laugh out loud.

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MikeDavis

Apr-24-13 8:24 AM

Vicki, the Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian incidents were both caused by the government. To say other wise is beyond ludicrous. They didn't pay millions of dollars to Ruby Ridge survivors for nothing. Keep trusting the government, they are here to serve you...oh, and I have some water front property for sale in Nevada you might be interested in too.

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judeye

Apr-24-13 8:34 AM

I wonder why not more attention has been given the explosion in Texas that has killed at least 14 people. Look at the pictures, showing the devastation to apartments, homes, etc surrounding the plant.

How could homes and apartments be so close to such dangerous explosives? How could this plant not be inspected for years? How could they not disclose the amount of fertilizer (might I add is this not similar to what McVeigh used?) to Homeland security?

Many questions that I hope will not be ignored. Makes the wearing of that tee shirt by Gov Perry all the more distasteful.

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Dcronlg

Apr-24-13 10:38 AM

Fear, govt conspiracy theories, boogeymen, and nightmares: this is the underlying primitive emotive & message that the RW, GOP, and conservatives peddle all the time and have done so for decades on end.

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DarkStar

Apr-24-13 11:39 AM

Yeah DC because the left NEVER spreads fear or seeks to inflame emotions to further their cause.

Judeye,

You probably forget but when Congress passed Obamacare, by use of a backroom deal no less, the majority of the country opposed the law, and yet you and others on the left screaming about the "will of the people," didn't seem ignoring it on that issue, so why is it suddenly so important now?

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American

Apr-24-13 11:49 AM

"EVERY POLL shows that the majority of people in this Country overwhelmingly supported the bill you describe in this article" The same thing happened when they crammed this bastardization of health care down our throats. Most people were and still are against it. Where is your outcry about "MONEY STILL TALKS...and the BULL STILL WALKS" over that one. Get over it the senate did the right thing on all of these gun control bills and for once king Obama didn't get what he and all of his minions wanted. THANK YOU SENATE!!!

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joew

Apr-24-13 12:29 PM

The polls certainly were in favor of passage but polls do not cause Senators to vote,phone calls do and they were pretty much non-existent to Senate offices. If you remember polls also were against implementation of the AHCA.

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joew

Apr-24-13 12:39 PM

Judeye-how much more attention to the explosion do you want? It was all over all forms of media,it was and is being investigated. Is there not a gas station in downtown Fredonia that is supplied by tanker trucks and is there not people living in close proximity?

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Donnar

Apr-24-13 12:51 PM

Tee shirts incite riots? No, taking away our Constitutional rights incite riots Vicki.

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American

Apr-24-13 1:35 PM

This letter and those in agreement are "This is the kind of stupidity that incites riots, creates an environment of fear, anger, and inflames others to act on emotion rather than fact."

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American

Apr-24-13 1:38 PM

"When will our elected officials do what is right for the American people" I asked this same question about obamacare. But then these leftwing followers of their king Obama say he is right in all things. Thank you again senate (this time) for saying no to obamas agenda. Just wish they would do it more often. Repeal the non-healthcare act.

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Christopher

Apr-24-13 1:45 PM

I'm very, very concerned! Where's 1Laona!? I hope he isn't ill.

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1Laona

Apr-24-13 2:09 PM

"Fit as a fiddle",sonny-boy.I had to check Manchin-Toomey Amendment,mighty slippery writing.Of course most are Lawyers so it's understandable.It's all about gun registration.The feds(FBI&BATFE)are ONLY banned from "consolidating or centralizing records.Keep them-sure,copy them-OK.They have violated the restrctions from Brady-1994 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act-1986 and there have been NO repercussions but I'm sure THIS time they REALLY mean it.So if Vicki wants to join Judeye and Paul in that "happy place" with Bambi and all the other "Pretend Friends" that's fine.The rest of us will have to be the adults.

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Christopher

Apr-24-13 2:19 PM

Phew! Ok, good, alive and well...sort of.

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AnnetteVickAsbill

Apr-24-13 3:04 PM

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stangv8

Apr-24-13 10:02 PM

Mrs. Westling; apparently you and others are totally ignorant when it comes to the sale of firearms. Firearms sales between private citizens don’t require a background check unless your particular state requires one. You cannot send a firearm by any carrier like USPS, FedEx, UPS, etc unless it’s sent though a FFL dealer who MUST initiate, at the minimum, a Federal Instant Check for the purchaser; it’s already the law. Otherwise, how is someone going to sell one to you over the internet, unless then deliver it in person to your house or you go to them and buy it. As a private American Citizen, if I sell you my personally firearm at a gun show or in your living room, what difference does it make? Is the location that important?

Also, ma’am, in order to have Universal Background Checks, you must have Universal Registration. Otherwise, tell me how are you going to enforce the background checks? You must know who has what and where before you can do the check

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stangv8

Apr-24-13 10:07 PM

Wow, you want to know someone so ignorant got elected Governor of Texas? I’d like to know how he makes it so they have no personal or corporate income tax? I’d like to know how their property taxes are so much lower than NY’s? I’d like the know whey NY’s brightest are heading to Texas when they graduate college? I’d like to know hey people move to Texas but few people move out of Texas? Maybe when you figure those out, you’ll know how Rick Perry got elected. Besides, what do you care what kind of shirt he wears? He doesn’t answer to you; he answers to Texas and they’re already answered your foolishness

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 5:41 AM

Not to argue the obvious, but the advantage Texas has over other places for some taxes is called OIL, not skill or ability of their Governor. Arguing that Rick Perry is an idiot or not tells me you didn't listen to his campaign at all. And, he got elected because the people with money wanted him to and he's photogenic, end of story. Texas also has more people below the poverty level than any other state. Please spare me the excuses, it is what it is.

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Steiner

Apr-25-13 8:02 AM

judeye and the libs are so confused. The libs use hysteria all the time , if it saves one life its worth it, global warming and the end of the world is another. the govt meeds more funding or granny is going to get pushed over a cliff, etc. thats all the libs use is hysteria. special to judeye, you know nothing about fertilizer plants etc. In a local small town there is a fertilizer storage plant, an oil storage facility across the street and an electrical substation next to all of this. Any out of control fire and it is a miniature west texas explosion. And judeye, its been that way for 70 years.Should they go green judeye ? and you vote ? what a disservice to any knowledgeable person.

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Steiner

Apr-25-13 8:12 AM

hey christopher, NY has lots of natural gas. we cannot frack, in part due to hysteria by LWv amd others. I even saw women on tv saying there should be no gas drilling at all . Wonder how they heat their homes. The WSJ had a picture of the boat that the bomber was hiding in. It was riddled with bullet holes by our great cops. So the one bomber escapes hundreds of rounds and the govt wants to limit magazine loads ? The middle ground approach by Vicki is a classic womens response to a problem. The female negotiating skills and the way they see life.Does not work in science at all.vicki, you couldnot say anything other than ruby ridge and waco ? Thats ages old by now. the city folk, apparently there are no laws against murder, right, have killed 1000's in the interim. . You should read more.

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Steiner

Apr-25-13 8:40 AM

Hey vicki, the middle ground approach is being used , at least temporarily in Boston. Pressure cookers are being removed from the shelves ! They do not have background checks nor a list of owners to publish !Yet !

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Steiner

Apr-25-13 9:07 AM

vicki, you and the libs that write in here have no appreciation for the minds in industry that if they go radical can inflict serious damage. there was an article in the WSJ quoting a chemist saying common firecrackers could be used for IED. The NRA is being demonized for no good reason.The NRA es akbar. machine shops are everywhere. Any good chemist, machinist and shop can make really clever stuff. Perhaps you should sit back and wonder , why in the face of 300 million guns , fireworks and ferilizer in the millions of pounds available , we have so little violence. The libs and their mantra you did not build that just contribute to the dumbing down of virtually everyone. except an intelligent person , but unfortunately a radical person who will just smirk at the antics of activists.Like in boston, the bomber sees a victim and just walks away.

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