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A loss for ‘middle ground’

April 24, 2013

The tragedies and loss of lives this past week in Boston and West, Texas were horrific....

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Steiner

Apr-27-13 8:52 AM

Published reports about divorce, which is relevant, here say that about half the marriages break up after age 50 due to the womnen's emotional needs going out of control. they seek emotional and religious fulfillment, lean left in politics and the marriage is gone. Vicki has admitted to leaning left lately, she has early symptons. there is no current vaccine for this unfortunate trend in women.we see it daily in politics, war on women, weeping women pressing for legislated fixes to life. It could be anything from global warming to gun control. Guys we will have to hang on for dear lives as the roller coaster of emotions will only get worse.

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Steiner

Apr-27-13 8:37 AM

judeye, an experienced firefighter in texas told some voluteers to run away from the fire. he knew that nitrates,(ammonium nitrate, nitro glycerine, TNT, nitrocellulose) the father of great explosions would let go. Some firefighters fled, some did not, they died. In the WSJ, the town was prepared for a derailment of hazardous trains. uhoh judye, you could help fix that too , hazardous trains are everywhere, more in the south . There are thousands of facilities like west texas. many have been there for decades and no problem. Try and read something before you comment.

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stangv8

Apr-26-13 12:53 PM

Judeye, I think you need to get to Texas right now and tell those investigators at West they’re wasting time and money as you already know the cause and reasons for the explosions.

Here you go again with your lack of research. Perry didn’t oppose federal aid for Sandy victims, he opposed increasing the National Flood Insurance Programs borrowing authority because they were all ready 20 Billion in debt. What he did support was bipartisan legislation, H.R. 219, which expedited and streamlined Hurricane Sandy recovery efforts and could save hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. Imagine that, helping the people while eliminating waste.

Judeye, you’re really dropping the ball on your research; you’re better than that. Also, Perry had one brain freeze during the primaries and you condemn him for that? Have you ever seen Obama speak without his teleprompter? He literally becomes a babbling idiot, worse than Biden.

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Steiner

Apr-26-13 8:26 AM

judye, why would a law abiding citizen opose background checks. because it wil lead to a data base and that will be used for confiscation one day.Gun control will be said not to be enough, we must, for the children, confiscate them. thats how it will be said. There was talk in of that in NY and some guns were siezed in error by the do gooders. So judeye, you cannot think past the immediete law or look into the future. We always have to answer liberal whining questions of why do want to do this. Libs, why do you want to control us so bad ? Does freedom frighten you ? It sure does.

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Steiner

Apr-26-13 8:20 AM

judeye, calling someone an idiot sounds like hate speech. What if Obama was called that. You would cry racism .Why do you libs want to control every thougt and deed of the right ? hey christopher, study so called fringe groups, it is ok if they are the right wing, but study of islamic groups is discouraged by libs as it is profiling. face it libs, you cannot think clearly. vicki asks where is the sanity, a background check would not have stopped the latest shootings because of privacy laws. Libs, get a grip on reality. To question vicki is normal and logical. Vicki is just not thinking here, her emotions are in the way.

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Steiner

Apr-26-13 8:14 AM

judeye, you are confused again. You have to know that there are hundreds if not thousands of small towns with fertilizer storage units right in town .The WSJ had an article on this. There are several locally in NY, that bastion of liberalism. So judeye, try and read some history, science etc, before you rant against certain states. you know nothing. hey annette, you could be the liberal nanny saying you can say this johnny. Those libs , you can only agree with them.you libs keep missing certain facts, millions of poinds of fertilizer and farm chemicals and so little violence or explosions.we even have remote control toys , apparently thats how the bombers detonated their bobmbs. Should we ban them or have waiting periods ?

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judeye

Apr-26-13 7:17 AM

MikeDavis...yet they show that many criminals purchase their guns either through straw purchases or gun shows. In both cases they do not have to undergo background checks. Why not close this loophole. Why would any law abiding citizen have a problem with a background check before purchase of a gun?

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judeye

Apr-26-13 7:11 AM

stangv8...yea, Texas. Come companies to the state that will not enforce silly regulations that were made to protect the public and environment. we dont need no stinking regulations here. If a company blows up, killing many, destroying homes, devastating the area..so be it.

Yet, I am pretty sure I heard that governor, the very one who did not think Sandy victims should get federal aid, yell out loudly for help from....the federal government following the huge explosion.

And if you do not think this governor is an idiot, then I agree with Christopher you did not follow him when he was on the campaign trail for President. Did you miss him in the debates or in his speech in NH?

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MikeDavis

Apr-26-13 12:11 AM

Paul, apparently your message of "safer" laws is getting lost with the other sides "this does NOTHING to make you safer" message. What is accomplished with passing these laws? Beside making law abiding citizens into criminals what does it do to make you safer? Criminals are not going to do a background check paper work. And seven or ten rounds? It only takes one to kill. This is a feel good knee jerk reaction to the situation. Maniacs have and will continue to find ways to kill innocent people. Maybe we should go back a few years when the spoiled little jerks were taken over dads knee and punished for their first foray into doing something wrong. Instead we have to discuss little Johnnies problems ad nauseum while he learns there isn't a*****thing even his parents can do because they will be charged by the state with abuse. This whole ball of garbage is squarely at the liberal, PC crowds feet.

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 4:14 PM

Question: Why does the Secret Service also have powers of tracking counterfeit money? Another waste of time and money.

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AnnetteVickAsbill

Apr-25-13 4:07 PM

American (and others,) I believe in free speech. I think one should voice one's opinions without deliberately hurting others. Seems doing so makes sickos feel more powerful. Trash sells.

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DarkStar

Apr-25-13 2:55 PM

Christopher,

I agree, at the very least policing should be left to the FBI since as more and more agencies get police powers they find more and more ways to justify using it.

I was reading a story not to long ago on CNN about a pet shop, I think in Florida that was raided for selling protected wildlife related items. I can't remember the specifics but it was something like feathers or fish, not guns and drugs, and yet the raid was carried out by over a two dozen armed police officers from at least 9 different federal agencies, including armed officers from NOAA (seriously?!?!?!)

To make matters worse, the laws they pass now are giving regulations the agencies make related to that law carry for full weight of tjhe original law as well, so in effect federal agencies now can create laws without the need Congress or the courts, which should scare the he11 out of everyone.

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 1:38 PM

Darkstar, I agree, they could have taken Koresh when he was on his morning jog. If I had my say, the ATF wouldn't exist, any "duties" they have would go to the FBI. I feel the same way about the DEA. After September 11th, if I were truly reorganizing domestic and international intelligence, there would have been one Homeland Security Chief over just 2 branches, one domestic, one international, and like most large police departments, I'd just have different divisions like Vice, Robbery/Homicide, etc., etc., no more of this cowboy rivalry. I wouldn't even call them the FBI or the CIA anymore, ending all the garbage that goes with the good that both agencies have done. I was merely pointing out that Koresh, in my opinion, was a dangerous man.

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 1:31 PM

Donnar, that wasn't a quote from me but from an article about Koresh and the raid.

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DarkStar

Apr-25-13 1:16 PM

Christopher,

One question the ATF has never adequately answered about Waco is the simple, and logic question of why the didn't just arrest Koresh during one of his regular trips outside the compound? Which is part of my whole problem with the raid.

Oh sure they say that had intel that he never left but are you telling me they planned a huge military raid weeks in advance and didn't have any eyes on the ground? So is the ATF lying or are they total idiots?

What I saw of the raid was a federal agency showing up with cameras in tow to show off their prowess and justify their assualt teams and shiny toys.

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Donnar

Apr-25-13 12:52 PM

"But in late 1987 he returned to Mount Carmel in camouflage with seven male followers, armed with five .223 caliber semiautomatic assault rifles, two .22 caliber rifles, two 12-gauge shotguns and nearly 400 rounds of ammunition."

Christopher, why are the .223's "assault" rifles, yet the .22's are just classified as "rifles" in your post?

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stangv8

Apr-25-13 12:29 PM

Christopher, what does Koresh's past problems have to do with what took place in 1993? Vicki's statement was that they were White Supremacists which obviously was false. My criticism of her article was her inaccuracies about Waco, Ruby Ridge, and background checks.

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American

Apr-25-13 12:19 PM

Because AnnetteVickAsbill, contrary to what Obama and Cuomo want it is still a free America and freedom of speech is still alive and doing well. Seems you are another one who would like to see that restricted. If you don't like the comments don't read them.

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 11:55 AM

Ruby Ridge was a total screw up by the goverment

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AnnetteVickAsbill

Apr-25-13 11:47 AM

Why does the editor continue to allow personal attacks on Mrs. Westling? He likes the fact that her commentaries are read and comments posted before the coffee has brewed on wednesday mornings, but apparently doesnt care how much abuse is dealt by steiner, davis and other radicals. Why, mr editor? One comment per reader should be enough - why provide a forum for such abusers?

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 11:45 AM

Koresh had an affair with then-prophetess Lois Roden who was in her late sixties. The two travelled to Israel together. When Lois Roden died, a power struggle began between Koresh and Lois Roden's son George. For a short time, Koresh retreated with his followers to eastern Texas. But in late 1987 he returned to Mount Carmel in camouflage with seven male followers, armed with five .223 caliber semiautomatic assault rifles, two .22 caliber rifles, two 12-gauge shotguns and nearly 400 rounds of ammunition. During the gunfight, Roden was shot in the chest and hands. He and his followers went on trial for attempted murder. The seven were acquitted and a mistrial was declared in Koresh's case. (Koresh told the jury he and his men went to Mount Carmel to find evidence of corpse abuse by Roden and their shots were aimed at a tree.)

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Christopher

Apr-25-13 11:43 AM

"I still find it funny that Vicki asks "where is the sanity?" only because people don't agree with her opinion." Much like the questions of loyalty, patriotism and such asked by the right wing of every person who questions our current situation with guns and wants to change it for the better. I won't argue that the government made a mess of Ruby Ridge and Waco, but you all need to do a lot more studying about what those people were really like. Ah, why bother, none of you will, it's too easy to pass around internet nonsense to each other.

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MikeDavis

Apr-25-13 9:47 AM

Stang, don't bother with logic or facts about those two incidents. As Rahm said, the democrats never fail to use a crisis/tragedy to push their agenda. I still find it funny that Vicki asks "where is the sanity?" only because people don't agree with her opinion.

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stangv8

Apr-25-13 9:12 AM

Continued author’s ignorance.

The ATF attacked the Branch Dravidians because of supposed weapons violations. To date, not one auto sear has been found in the rubble and they’ve gone though that stuff with a fine tooth comb. Also, the local Sheriff had visited the compound and inspected the weapons they were firing and found no automatic weapons. For some reason, the ATF never consulted local authorities before going in. Then, it was because of the children...always about the children when all else fails. But, we find out that Social Services had made regular visits to the compound and found the children very well kept. According to the Ontario Consultants of Religious Tolerance, “there were 130 members living at Waco in the Spring of 1993; they were a multi-racial, multi-ethnic group of whom 45 were black.” Kind of shoots Vickie’s White Supremacist theory all to pot.

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stangv8

Apr-25-13 9:09 AM

More ignorance by the author of this editorial: Ruby Ridge and Waco were White Supremacists? Randy Weaver and his family just wanted to be left alone. The government wanted him to spy on White Supremacist groups but he refused so they set him up in a sting operation by getting him to sell two shotguns whose barrels measured ¼ inch too small. They sent a small army in to get him for that. The information on what happened is readily available and you might want to study up on it first before making judgmental statements.

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