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Construction on Route 5/20 bridge expected this summer

April 28, 2013

By NICOLE GUGINO OBSERVER Assistant News Editor IRVING — Commuters between Chautauqua and Erie counties have waited a long time to hear construction on the Route 5/20 bridge will begi....

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Christopher

Apr-29-13 12:44 PM

I'm not sure so won't argue the safety of roundabouts vs. a regular traffic light/intersection. But I will say the fix was an easy fix for decades, and only involve3d running RT.5 directly to and across from RT. 438 and placing the light there, problem solved long ago. I'd guess 90% of the accidents were at the intersection of 438. The Bridge issue from what I know was NOT NYS's fault, but the Nation's, for any delays.

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kcw007

Apr-29-13 8:05 AM

I had to be around the Village of Hamburg for business purposes during the period when the their roundabouts were being finalized. When it came to the matter of what artwork would go in the middle of each village roundabout, and who would get the contracts for that artwork, you'd have thought that they were gearing up to send a man to the moon! When it was done, one "artist" had filed a lawsuit against the village, and then the village learned, after one piece of art was run over and broken, that their "solid bronze" figure that they paid dearly for.....WAS CAST OUT OF CHEAP POT METAL with a bronze "wash" painted on it! Last I heard, that issue was yet unresolved with the "artist", who apparently laughed all the way to the bank it would seem.

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kcw007

Apr-29-13 7:49 AM

I was wondering the same thing as Christoper. According to what I read on the NYSDOT website regarding the rating scale of NY bridges; the number scale actually runs between 1 and 7, with 7 being a new condition bridge. Anything above 5 indicates the bridge to be fully functional & in good condition. 5 or less means that there is required maintenance or rehab needed, but the bridge is not unsafe. So I guess that the stated goal indicated in the article means that the state feels that, once completed, the bridge will remain in a condition better than "5" for at least the next thirty years, during which time only minimal maintenance will be needed.

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LilrudSteven

Apr-28-13 8:54 PM

I missed the 30 years part. I think their projections only go to 30 years maximum. Typical minimum life of a bridge is 50 years.

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LilrudSteven

Apr-28-13 8:51 PM

The bridge was built in 1931 , it'll be 82 years old when it comes down. For a similar cost you have less delays and less maintenance with a roundabout. Did I forget to mention they're safer?

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Christopher

Apr-28-13 8:38 PM

I'm curious...did I read this wrong? a grade 5 bridge out of a possible 9, and only good for 30 years? As for the roundabout, all that was needed was to run Rt.5 to where 438 hits 20, and move the traffic light there, end of problem. The issue of accidents was always people shooting between 438 and that little extension to Rt.5. But, it's NY, and everything has to be overthought.

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concerned

Apr-28-13 6:33 PM

kcw no artwork just mirrors so the driver can see himself coming!

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Captain

Apr-28-13 6:02 PM

If any art does end up in the center of this proposed roundabout, I'm sure the theme will be Native American.

Since kcw007 anticipates some good laughs, I'll try not to disappoint and suggest the Pete Sam Memorial (aka Wooden Indian).

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kcw007

Apr-28-13 5:10 PM

The primary issue with roundabouts, is that inattentive (read: "usually, but not always, drunk") drivers occasionally plow through the middle of them. After three such incidents, the Village of Hamburg has pretty much given up on putting any more "art work"(apparently there's law which requires art work to be there) in the middle of the roundabout @ S. Park & Legion. Of course I can't figure out what the purpose of art work serves there anyway. Who, exactly, is suppose to look at it? You certainly don't want drivers gazing at it as they negotiate the roundabout! A driver's concentration is either totally to the left as he attempts to enter the traffic device, or totally ahead and to the right as he goes around or exists it. If you want to get a laugh, wait until the state asks for public opinion as to what "art" should go in the new roundabout! OMG, the "art critics" will pour out of the walls!

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LilrudSteven

Apr-28-13 10:44 AM

LisaEO2, Why do you say it's been proven how dangerous they are? They're much safer than a signal. Trucks go through the ones in Hamburg just fine. In many cases, it's easier than turning a corner and the wait is shorter.

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LisaE02

Apr-28-13 8:45 AM

I'm super happy to see something being done about this death trap. BUT... A ROUNDABOUT?????? REALLY? I think it's been proven how dangerous they are. Plus there is a lot of semi truck traffic through there how is that going to work? Just because it's a popular idea doesn't mean it's safe. Get your heads on straight department of transportation. Again happy to see this moving forward but lets drop the roundabout thing already! Geesh

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Steiner

Apr-28-13 8:23 AM

Funny how the govt found money for the Bills, yet kept delaying a project where people benefit everyday by crossing this bridge. How many times is that stadium used a year for all that money ?

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