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Health care: Bad medicine for some?

May 2, 2013

Those representatives in Washington, D.C., who were quick to applaud the passage of the Affordable Health Care Act are now trying to make sure they are not a part of it. So says U.S. Rep....

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American

May-06-13 9:23 PM

"I am NOT a fan of this bill either. I want single payer system" So you really want complete nationalized of if you prefer totally socialized healthcare. Move to a country that has it then.

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judeye

May-06-13 8:31 AM

I am NOT a fan of this bill either. I want single payer system..or at least a public option. I cannot understand why my taxes pay for others health insurance yet I cannot buy into the same insurance.

But that is a totally different matter.

This act is at least a start at chipping away at the health insurance industry that is robbing from us all. It is a START not the end of what we must do to address health insurance needs in our country.

If you have your own health insurance under this act you do NOT have to change. So why all this outrage? Hmm wonder if it has anything to do with the industry maybe not liking many of the things in this bill that actually will require them to be more responsive to their customers. Things like NO caps, cannot refuse coverage due to pre existing condition, or the 80 20 rule which requires them to spend 80% on patients. Industry does not like it..spends tons of money on PR..and look at the comments here...it worked

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judeye

May-06-13 8:24 AM

joew...apologies to the Senator.

We might need a PR to help explain the bill as just reading comments here..most have NO idea what is in it and what is not.

Do you?

By the way, when I was working we had someone come in every year and explain all the choices we had in health care insurance options. Wonder why the employers do that if not needed?

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joew

May-04-13 5:19 PM

Well the latest news today about the train wreck is really interesting but I'll defer to Judeye or Marcia to break the news. That way it will be totally unbiased and as Obama said,"just a bump in the road".

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concerned

May-03-13 9:06 PM

Employer response to Obama care was predicted from the first talk of this plan so why is anyone surprised this is turning out to be a disaster?

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Captain

May-03-13 8:33 PM

btw, I don't necessarily support the AHCA simply b/c I don't know all the details. Like you said, lawmakers are still adding/changing language to the bill.

I can, however, agree w/you that this plan could turn out to be a disaster (train wreck), especially when politicians & lobbyists are involved, but again, that's not what Sen Baucus meant when you chose to (mis)quote him.

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Captain

May-03-13 8:15 PM

joew: I merely repeated what judeye said. You raised Sen Max Baucus' name, emphasizing that he was one of the primary architects of the AHCA, and then imply he has admitted that the plan he helped draft (Obamacare) is a train wreck, and that's simply not true. Baucus was referring to the concern he has IF the plan isn't implemented properly, NOT the plan itself.

Do you work at the Observer? ;)

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joew

May-03-13 5:43 PM

Captain-the train wreck has been out there for how long now? It's still being written so how in heck can you implement something that isn't even in final form. Sen Baucus said he didn't even read the final version since it would be a "waste of my time". I did not accuse Judeye of posting a slanted PR campaign either.The thing is a disaster waiting to happen or in other words a train wreck!

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Captain

May-03-13 4:07 PM

joew: You're the one who chose to cite Sen Baucus' comments. You're the one who chose to take his words out of context and "imply" the senator called Obamacare a train wreck, when in fact he was actually referring to his concern that if the AHCA is poorly implemented, it'll be a train wreck.

You're the one who posted a "slanted" msg, then when judeye calls you out on it and clarifies what Baucus really meant, you accuse her of posting a "slanted" PR campaign supporting Obamacare?

You need help my friend.

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joew

May-03-13 2:31 PM

Judeye-first off,Max Baucus is a Senator. Why do we need a slanted PR campaign to explain the trainwreck? The AHCA(aka Obamacare)has been out there for quite a while even though it is still being written!!!!Ask Nancy Pelousy,she'll explain it to you. Both the pro and con people are on FOX quite often,you should really make a effort to tune in.

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Captain

May-03-13 12:18 PM

DarkStar: you shouldn't resort to sarcasm, you're better than that.

judeye gladly responded to your question with clear & decisive reasons why she believes there's a vast difference (with respect to fundamental employer obligations) between Wal-Mart, our nation's largest, multi-billion dollar private retailer, and a small community college.

btw: other than having to adhere to educational guidelines, how exactly is JCC a govt-run entity?

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DarkStar

May-03-13 10:25 AM

Judeye,

Read it again, they aren't cutting staff, they actually will be increasing it, but they are cutting hours and thus pay.

Oh I knew you didn't hold them to the same standard, afterall JCC is run by the government and thus it can do no wrong.

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judeye

May-03-13 8:15 AM

joew...Had to look up what he could mean.

"He (Rep Baucus) said he's "very concerned" that new health insurance marketplaces for consumers and small businesses will not open on time in every state, and that if they do, they might just flop because residents don't have the information they need to make choices.

"The administration's public information campaign on the benefits of the Affordable Care Act deserves a failing grade," he told Sebelius. "You need to fix this."

Responding to Baucus, Sebelius pointedly noted that Republicans in Congress last year blocked funding for carrying out the health care law, and she had to resort to raiding other departmental funds that were legally available to her."

The train wreck then seems to be due to a lack of PUBLIC INFORMATION on the ACA and the exchanges. Not on what they can provide.

Gosh..if only we had a news media around here that wanted to get some real truth about this bill rather than misinf

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judeye

May-03-13 8:08 AM

DarkStar..no I do not. Can you show me where JCC is cutting staff due to ACA?

One difference though between the two. One is showing a huge profit with their owners topping the most wealthy list. They choose to use the profits to line their own pockets rather than to share with the workers. The other is a public owned school where no one is making a huge profit. They seem to be cutting things to make ends meet so they can continue to provide higher education at a minimal cost so that more students can afford it.

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judeye

May-03-13 8:04 AM

I agree Phil the public option should have been left in. It was a compromise from a single payer system. This was not enough for many in our Congress so they demanded the public option be eliminated as well. What we got left,...and yes we had to fight for even this little bit of change...is the ACA.

Which is far from what we should have. Yet it is helping millions of people right now. Ask anyone whose child is still covered under their policy until age 26, or has NO caps on what the insurance company will pay, or can no longer be denied coverage due to a pre existing condition. Saving lives..yes I think the ACA is worth it.

How much money would a single payer system save us?

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DarkStar

May-03-13 8:03 AM

Everyone loves throwing out Walmart and other companies names.

How about JCC? They use a large number of adjunct professors since it's much cheaper than highing fulltime professors, and now due to Obamacare they are cutting the number of courses each adjunct can teach so they can avoid having to pay for their health insurance.

So judeye, do you hold them to the same standard as Walmart.

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judeye

May-03-13 7:56 AM

Chuck392..so a company like Walmart..where they have record profits..decides to let you and me fund their employees health care and you are fine with that?

We not only pay for their health insurance, we also often help to supplement their food (food stamps), housing, and fuel bills all because the company they work for is more interested in increasing their own greedy profits than pay their employees a decent wage or offer them good benefits.

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joew

May-03-13 7:38 AM

Wonder why Sen Max Baucus(one of the principal architects of Obamacare)who is retiring soon now thinks Obamacare is a "trainwreck"!

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Chuck392

May-03-13 6:41 AM

Other "bad" consequences of Obamacare are what it does to jobs. Just had a company in Jamestown announce that their employees will be cut 10 hours a week so that they don't have to offer them health insurance. And there's lots of companies, big and small that have adjusted hiring practices due to the impending law. Google around and see what the biggest employer in the US (WalMart) has done because of Obamacare. The worry about Congress being exempt or not is a drop in the bucket.

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:59 AM

We will do one more:

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS...

At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment.

Is this worth defending politically?

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:55 AM

We could go on and on and on. Wise up Democrats and help get rid of this disaster!

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:54 AM

Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:53 AM

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

Please read this.... especially the reference to pages 58 & 59 JUDGE KITHIL wrote: Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:52 AM

Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what happens in 2013 & 2014!

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Carlaw

May-03-13 5:50 AM

ObamaCare should be repealed in its entirety and all similar laws related to medical care should be left to individual states to decide what if anything should be done to replace ObamaCare. That is what the United States Constitution requires, if anyone is curious enough to check.

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