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Both parties to blame for downfall

May 15, 2013

I’m not sure what world our politicians inhabit, but it’s not one the rest of us live in....

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May-15-13 6:11 AM

Wow, is this guy a brainwashed liberal or what? Both parties to blame? Hah! My recommendation to this commie is to turn off MSNBC and tune in to Rush or Fox News and then let us know if he still thinks both parties are to blame!!!

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May-15-13 7:25 AM

Excellent article, and a point I have tried to make many times. OTBUA is correct though, he'll be attacked by zealots who can only see "the other guys" mistakes. The entire Government is a sham and corrupted. We do not live in a Democracy, we live in the appearance of one. Even the State Government is corrupt, take a look at the arrests of Legislators the last few years. (All from the NYC area, I'm proud to say) We're Rome on the decline.

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May-15-13 7:34 AM

Its entitlements not defense driving the budgets now.Liberal things. Political correctness ? thats liberal also. Abandon the mideast ? Cant do that as the world needs the oil. Alternate fuel? , we have heard that since carter. They dont work 24/7 or supply insufficient. A trip to Mars, peanut money as the Detroit city budget is a billion and detroit, union and democrat is in ruins. energy at home ?Libs stop that at every turn, citing end of the world scenarios. what part of liberal does Dennis Regan not see ?

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May-15-13 7:57 AM

Get the money out. To me that is the biggest problem we have threatening our democracy today.

Our elections are too often bought by the highest bidder and thanks to citizens united, many times we do not even know who is the one bidding.

YES it is both parties...all parties...who put greed, politics, power before serving the people.

Look at how many millionaires are in our congress. Really does anyone think that reflects the majority in our country? Get the money out of our ballot boxes.

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May-15-13 8:01 AM

Steiner...."Its entitlements not defense driving the budgets now"

Have you EVER looked at the government budget?

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May-15-13 8:06 AM

Excellent article!

All American media today present a sensationalized, distorted view of the “news” in a practice called “yellow journalism” in order to increase circulation and increase profits.

Fox / MSNBC are but two sides of the same corrupt coin. The more a viewer watches either Fox or MSNBC, the less he or she is likely to know what is really going on in the world. All American mainstream media specialize in expressing an attitude, not engaging in honest analysis, and the result is audiences that are ushered into an alternative universe so at variance with reality it verges on the delusional.

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May-15-13 8:13 AM

hey judeye, I have and that is what i see. entitlements. we spent more on defense in the 1960's.fact judeye. citizens united bad, really ? If corporations are not people then neither are unions, except maybe teachers as children are our future the libs say. Judeye, all you want to do is control peoples speech. well guess what? i do not need you to control my speech. The govt was not and is not a plaything for liberals to impose their will by shouting greed, racism, fox news as you are want to do. You make us more dependent on the govt that way. But that never enters in your liberal mind does it. millionaires bad too you say. what income level do you propose?Shall we all become poor so the libs can feel good. Judeye, you have no sense of history just like cronig.judeye , havr you EVER read a history book ? I would say no. Noone could and still write what you write.

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May-15-13 8:25 AM

hey judye, this is what i see on the federal budget. Social security, medicare and caid and safety net stuff over 50 % of budget. Defense 20%. So if we cut defense to nothing it would help only a little. The entitlements are going to bankrupt us as there are only 3 workers for every 1 retired person. Wait till the boomers retire. It will go the other way. More retirees than payers.what will we do then ? Use green energy and raise taxes ? Europe here we go ! Did ya ever look at europe Judeye ?

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May-15-13 8:29 AM

Hmmm...let's see...

1. Throw the bums out -- never heard THAT one before. 2. Washington is corrupt -- never heard THAT one before. 3. We have wasteful spending, on others but not me -- never heard THAT one before. 4. Cut/end foreign aid -- never heard THAT one before. 5. Media BAD, Bible GOOD -- never heard THAT one before. 6. The young generation is our future -- never heard THAT one before. 7. We are on the brink of a political-economic-spending-social-moral-global Armageddon -- never heard THAT one before.

And yet, for well over 200 years, facing global/social/economic crises much greater than we have now (although narcissistically, we believe ours is MUCH worse...), we have survived, thrived and grown.

You guys are all so priceless in your myopia.

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May-15-13 8:40 AM

Close our bases and cut the military ? we did that after WW1 and WW2. A disaster in both cases ensued. truman demobilized us after WW2 and Korea happened. The nearest ammo was in Guam.This is called the football game mentality. win the game , team disbanded and go home. truman bragged about using mules and horses to plow on his family farm . No fossil fuel for that democrat !Green energy for sure, right libs and especially judeye. So the libs have been messed up mind wise a long time.

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May-15-13 8:46 AM

cronig gets it wrong again. Media bad bible good, he scoffs. Hey cronig, the bible is one source of info that i used to build my steinertrons. 20% increase in fuel mileage. So cronig, tell us more of your unknowledge and the greatness of govt grants. we prospered cronig because of private enterprise, not grants. witness the electronic industry. You do know about that right ? Bell labs, fairchild and then a host of others. They made possible this comment writing. Progressives like you have kille many millions of people in their quest for utopia . ever READ anything cronig ?

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May-15-13 8:56 AM

Mr. Regan could not have said it better. We live in a country where 90% of the population believes Congress does a poor job - but - they keep getting re-elected. Money rules, the two party system is no longer functional and special interests have taken control of the country. So, what can we do as individuals? I have personally dropped my party affiliation and become an independent voter. I strongly suggest that others do the same because as a party member your support is taken for granted. Money must be taken out of politics and the influence of a biased media should be limited. I believe it was wrong to eliminate the "fairness doctrine" and we desperately need campaign finance reform

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May-15-13 9:04 AM

Here we go again. Government bad, corrupt, at fault, blah blah blah. So do something about it. Or quit whining about it.

I think some of you commenters do miss the point though. In government, the system itself, yes both parties are to blame. In life, what many see as a degradation of the fabric of America, it appears most of you see the liberals are to blame.

A lot of liberal organizations, or "progressive" as they now call themselves (how arrogant) do impede progress in the USA. EPA is one of the first that comes to mind. Alternative energy is a nice concept, but it's expensive and unreliable. Standing in the way of traditional fuel sources (NG, oil) is detrimental to our country, and a financial nightmare considering the economy today.

But again, neither side will budge in the argument. Everyone thinks they're right. But arguing on a MB forum is leaving us all right where we were yesterday. If you won't get out an do something then it must not be that big a

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May-15-13 9:06 AM

Term Limits.

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May-15-13 9:17 AM

What a joke. Yes, let's all DO SOMETHING!! Change Party affiliations!! That'll work! Vote the bums out!! Really? How? You only get 2 people to vote for and both are bought and paid for, no matter which one you choose. Yes, let's get all over those who speak out, voice an opinion. Those who voice an opinion are at least TRYING to get the most dogmatic and partisan party supporters to change their outlook. I'd say that's TRYING to do something.

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May-15-13 9:58 AM

No, Christopher, you aren't doing anything but contributing to the hot-air-fest of whining and moaning. If the problem as you see it is that you have to choose between two "bought and paid for" candidates, then do something to address the root of the problem, which is - why do we have 2 bought and paid for candidates in the first place?

stangv8 hit the nail on the head - term limits. And they should be in Washington just 1 week/month, or maybe for a 3 wk work session per quarter. And spend the rest of their time in their state with their constituents. Because they are "representatives" after all right? Or are they politicians? Oh that's right - their constituents AREW all in Washington.

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May-15-13 10:16 AM

I agree with stangv8 – term limits. Then maybe we’ll stop being lemmings – we currently reelect +/- 98% of incumbents, yet expect things to change. When Super PACs and tax-exempt “social welfare” PACs spent over a billion – billion – dollars in the last election, we’d be naïve to think there isn’t a payback, that Congress isn’t beholden to lobbyists and individuals who, in some cases, donated tens of millions to campaigns.

When the 94 new members of Congress this year have a net worth over $1 million, when they join the 57% of Congress that is already millionaires, can they truly appreciate the financial pain many Americans feel, can they really represent the majority of Americans? Or do we just see laws written by the 1% for the 1%?

We’ve failed as a nation to “vote the b’s out,” so term limits might force both candidates AND the public to focus on the issues instead of just ideology.

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May-15-13 10:40 AM

OK, speaking of contributing to "the hot air fest", let's talk about term limits. Who determines if there'll ever be term limits? Let's it me? Nope. Is it you? Nope. Oh, I know!! It's those same bought and paid for politicians that are currently serving!! Do you really think they'll ever pass that law!!? Talk about a "hot air fest". You show me a VIABLE 3rd party, one I could join and support and vote for, a 3rd party truly different than the 2 we now have (Yes, TWO!! Any others are a joke and totally fail that "viable" test)and I'd be happy to do something positive. Until then, show me the way oh enlightened ones!

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May-15-13 10:59 AM

Dopes...We ALREADY HAVE term limits -- EVERY two years, in November, for the House and 1/3 the senate, and EVERY 4 years for the POTUS, we can either vote them in or out. Its called elections, and its called voting. If the majority votes in favor, they're in. If the majority votes against, they're out.

So, we need a term limit law to do exactly what is our moral and civic responsibility every two years???

You guys are priceless...

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May-15-13 11:14 AM

Judeye is right, our elections are bought and paid for. How else could Cuomo get elected and Obama get a 2nd term. Then there is reid, pelosi, McConnell and bohner that it applies to also. If it wasn't then more Senators would also vote no to more gun control.

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May-15-13 11:25 AM

I see that “learned poster” Dc has trouble understanding the difference between term of office and term limits.

Term limits – obviously – are a statutory limit on the number of terms one can serve in office, e.g., the 22nd Amendment which imposed a term limit on the office of the presidency.

“Priceless,” indeed...dope.

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May-15-13 11:30 AM

Sorry American, but a vast majority of Americans want universal background checks on guns, and yet a minority of senators killed the bill. Because of the filibuster, and the fact that they are afraid of the NRA, which has a membership of 1% of the population, but big pockets. That type of selling out is what this article is about.

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May-15-13 11:33 AM

If you really want to do something about the disgusting sell out of our elections, I suggest you go to Jamestown on Friday to protest the appearance of Chief Justice Roberts regarding this case. Let him know how you feel about the ruling that named corporation's citizens and allowed anyone to donate any amount anonymously to buy your legislator.

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May-15-13 1:30 PM

PR24601....please tell us exactly what you are doing to make change happen so that we may join in and make it happen. Dcronig....DUH...term limit like the president....can no longer run after 2 terms.

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May-15-13 2:45 PM

@commentor, absolutely nothing. That's why I'm not complaining about the government. If you read my first post, it was basically to say all this hot air B&M session about the government is a waste of time.. folks should get out and actually DO something about it. If it's all talk and no action, then apparently no one really cares THAT much. There's stuff about the government I don't agree with, but I won't waste my breath yapping about it with other yappers because I'm not doing anything to change it.

If you are truly upset, make something happen, otherwise close the yaps and just deal.

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