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IRS: Tax crimes not ‘irrelevant’

May 31, 2013

Whether the Internal Revenue Service broke the law in harassing conservative political groups “is irrelevant,” White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer told a reporter....

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PhilJulian

Jun-03-13 9:20 AM

Should we be surprised that an arm of the government is corrupt and acting in an inappropriate manner? Of course not and the parties responsible should be held accountable. What bothers me is that the issue is being used to promote a political agenda. Government always was and always will be crooked - get used to it.

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American

Jun-02-13 7:12 PM

And it is now up to at least 88 people at the IRS involved in it. So it wasn't a small scale thing and definitely not irrelevant "White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said Sunday that the question of whether any laws were broken as part of the IRS scandal is "irrelevant" to the fact that the agency's actions were wrong and unjustifiable." as the White House claims.

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joew

Jun-01-13 9:06 AM

Judeye-please I know you are more intelligent than you appear so let me try this again. The IRS scandal was not about what degree of political activity the organization was involved or how much money was given to a candidate. The IRS itself said they subjected groups/organizations to "extra" scrutiny based on their political beliefs and key words such as patriot,or tea party etc! That's the IRS saying that,not me,not the House committee,but the IRS!

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judeye

Jun-01-13 8:21 AM

Steiner..would respond but do not understand you at all. That is ok..I really do not want to...

have a good day

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judeye

Jun-01-13 8:20 AM

stangv8...unless it comes out differently, I do believe him.

Come on...really...where I worked there were many many day to day operations (in fact most) that our Ex Director was unaware of.

When this issue was brought to the attention of the Regional Director, she directed them to immediately stop it.

I am in NO way defending the profiling...just trying to understand how and why it occurred. Which to me is very easy to understand given the number of applications for this tax exempt status DOUBLED in the past two years.

How would you, as a worker in a field office, decide if a group really was more a "social welfare" group and NOT a political group?

Change the law. The scandal is that we have allowed too many groups (both liberal, conservative, and many in between) hide behind this flawed law, thus not having to pay their fair share of taxes.

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Steiner

Jun-01-13 8:12 AM

judeye, is it nixons fault now ? Was not the bush analogy enough here ? FDR used the IRS on his enemies too. Libs, you are missing key facts here. Under obama and holder, distrust of americans is at record levels. Judeye you can have all the laws you want. Crimes will be done to maintain power. Libs, was any more than a token of liberal groups harassed over this ? No. judeye, your sierra club is free to unleash scores of lawsuits in the name of environmentalism and is not targeted. Libs, you are so naive. How is it judeye, disagreeing with a lib is a circus, when if repub it is a crime. mental illness grips the libs.

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judeye

Jun-01-13 8:07 AM

joew..oh really..how are the workers to determine when political activity is NOT the primary goal..thus permitting the group to get tax exempt status ..when presented with groups like..

" CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress."

"The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application."

Anyone really think these are social welfare groups and NOT PRIMARILY political?

Fix the problem...Change the Law

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stangv8

May-31-13 10:17 PM

Judeye, much different that Obama's reaction? You mean the guy who said he found out about it, just like the rest of us, watching the news? Hate to say it but Obama saying he had no knowledge of it before it just plain Bovine Scathology as is coming out in the hearings.

Common Judeye! You're intellegent. Think of it. These groups complain to their Representatives and Senators, some of who are Democrats. You really think none of these congressmen took it to the president during their conversations? If you believe that, then can I interest you in a Bernie Madoff investment?

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Captain

May-31-13 12:55 PM

The IRS has been abusing its power for decades, thru intimidation and threats. To insinuate (w/o proof) that Obama knowingly allowed the IRS to scrutinize certain political groups more than others, and then compare it to Watergate (again, w/o any proof) has got to be one of the most laughable OP-ED pieces ever written by this newspaper.

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Nathan

May-31-13 10:15 AM

It is interesting to see that the facts were known last year before the election, but no one was made aware of them before the election. I think we are all seeing a pattern from this administration of "hide the truth until after the election". That is where the problems concern me...

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joew

May-31-13 8:47 AM

Judeye-do you realize that we as Americans expect our government to protect us,abide by the constitution,and be neutral and unbiased in all it's dealings with it's citizens? The scandal has nothing at all to do with the the IRS trying to determine about the level of political activity an organization is engaged in! Where in heck do you get your information? It has to do with certain organizations that were targeted for there political views and subjected to ridiculous questions and requests. If you think the IRS has lots of power now,read the AHCA!

Decronig-the last thing I want is for Obama to be forced out of office. Biden would then be the pres and he would probably appoint Reid or Pelosi as the Veep,yikes! Keep in mind there genius that "it ain't over till the fat lady sings"!

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Dcronlg

May-31-13 8:37 AM

The Washington Post -- the Watergate newspaper, a newspaper tha knows a thing or two about presidential scandals -- just did a fact checking review of the GOP/RW/Conservative assertive chorus about this so-called Obama's IRS "scandal" and Pfeiffer's comments.

Their final analysis: "(This)is really in the realm of the ridiculous."

Nothing more needs to be said, especially as to the type of newspaper the OBSERVER isn't.

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localresident

May-31-13 8:28 AM

You're kidding if Obama had no knowledge about this. The IRS chief visited the white house over 150 times. in comparison, Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton visited at least 60 times less. When asked why so much, Shulman's first answer was "Easter egg roll". Okay, there's one, what about the other 150+ times?

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Dcronlg

May-31-13 8:22 AM

Crime? What crime? No one -- not one person, not one soul -- has been charged with any criminal activity.

Comparing Obama's behavior to Nixon? REALLY? Seriously, REALLY? Nixon had criminal charges filed within his administration. But again, just what crimes occurred with these rogue, overzealous IRS bureaucrats in Cincinnati who used profiling, but still approved all but a handful?

The clueless church lady gaggle OBSERVER board really does have their panties in a bunch. Get it into your pathetic incredulous heads: Obama will NOT go down with scandals, there will be no special prosecutor, and he, on his worse day, is smarter and more organized than you guys are on your best day...like when WVa Uncle Sugar Daddy rides into town...

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judeye

May-31-13 7:50 AM

Now the Heritage Action for America (lobby arm of Heritage Foundation) recently sent a letter to the GOP members of Congress telling them to concentrate on scandals in the Obama administration and NOT to legislate. In short, asking them to NOT do their jobs.

"Of course, for the party to turn the idea of devoting 100 percent of its time to scandal-mongering, into victory in 2014 and beyond, they need the mainstream media to continue to play along with the scandal circus. Which they might in the short run, but not likely for long."

Guess this paper has decided to play along with the circus rather than concentrate on the truth and look for ways to solve the problems.

As stated before..easy solution to the IRS "scandal"...change the law so it is not left up to IRS workers to determine how much political activity is too much for a group to be not eligible for tax exempt status.

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judeye

May-31-13 7:36 AM

"Remember, many of the crimes committed by aides to disgraced former President Richard Nixon were not at his specific direction. They were reactions to Nixon's hints about getting tough with opponents."

This is simply NOT TRUE.

Some of us really do remember Watergate. There is NO doubt that Nixon was involved in the cover up. There is a TAPE of him talking about it. Years later one of his top aides, Jeb Magruder stated that the order for the break in came directly from Nixon himself.

MUCH DIFFERENT from the reaction to Pres Obama when he learned of the IRS target of conservative groups for increased scrutiny "the misconduct that it uncovered is inexcusable. It’s inexcusable, and Americans are right to be angry about it, and I am angry about it. I will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency, but especially in the IRS, given the power that it has and the reach that it has into all of our lives."

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joew

May-31-13 6:53 AM

Saying "they"still have their panties in a twist because of the actions of the IRS which borders on tyrannical behavior must mean you have limited access to the news I guess?

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cruisin

May-31-13 2:14 AM

They still have their panties in a twist.

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