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Finding responsibility

June 25, 2013

Sometimes people find refuge in nonsense when avoiding responsibility. Wasn’t it a character in a Shakespeare play who said, “There is nothing, neither right nor wrong but thinking makes it so....

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Steiner

Jun-25-13 7:14 AM

Mr Westlund, where to begin ? You mentioned god. the tolerant libs are already in fits. They are the new god together with darwin. Hitler and the Japanese made war on America. so are the democrats with their war on carbon. Oh, I forgot their choice is only for women and abortions, not choice in schools****promise they say ! Since darwin and the democrats know nothing of strong force and its implications on the world, we may consider them to be stupid. Physics talks about it and how the world really works, but the libs, "ever knowing and tolerant" ignore it and force their world view on us. Obamas view is you can have all the religion you want, well not quite with his health care mandates, but it should not influence or be in the political arena in any way.Truth is where you find it, but that does not matter to the democrats. The IRS scandal proves it. Orders came from DC somewhere.

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Steiner

Jun-25-13 7:53 AM

Indeed a white house climate advisor says we should close down all the conventional coal plants. The dumbacrats have declared war on life itself now. PBS had a special on climate change and blue holes. They said the climate changed 3 times in the last 10,000 years. Since there were less people back then, it could not be blamed on people. Dust from the sahara was blamed. Something has snapped in the democratic mind for sure.

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Dcronlg

Jun-25-13 8:47 AM

You should read up on your history. This country didn't save the world by itself -- the UK was doing it all by itself for 2 yrs, on two fronts, while we isolationists were dithering and dallying.

Its historical fact that we weren't willing to get involved at all; had the Japanese not attacked us and got us involved, who knows to what extent the Axis might have succeeded or how long the war would have dragged?

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PR24601

Jun-25-13 12:10 PM

@Drc - you are correct in that the USA preferred isolationism over entry into the war. Personally, I believe in isolationism with extremely capable defense, even in this post-industrial high-tech age, we've got to be able to secure our borders, take care of America, and defend America without "policing" the world.

I think eventually, the USA would have been dragged into the war notwithstanding - either desperate pleas from the Allies, or if eventually overrun by Hitler, he would no doubt have attempted attack on American soil. But he was spread too thin already, and a USA not involved in Japan would have crushed an invasion unmercifully.

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Marcia

Jun-25-13 12:26 PM

Those godless people who attack and try to overtake other countries unprovoked? How awful they are. Rather like our attacking Iraq and Afghanistan. Because let's face it, Afghanistan was a theocracy who passed all laws based on their religion. You must have approved of them since this is what you advocate.

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PR24601

Jun-25-13 12:45 PM

@Marcia, Iraq and Afghanistan were attacked because they were known aiders and abettors for al Qaeda terrorist cells. If Musharraf hadn't tap danced his way into Bush's heart, Pakistan would have been next.

Someone was going to pay for 9/11. Since "al Qaeda" is not a country, their harboring nations got the bill. That was war. That was initiated by the enemy(ies). Let's stop feeling sorry for the middle Easterners. If they don't truly hate America, then they'd dispose of the leaders that make them our enemies.

I'm still all for a retreat to isolationism, with the caveat than any attack on America, Americans, or American interests will be dealth with full necessary force.

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joew

Jun-25-13 1:27 PM

Dcronig-I suggest "YOU" do a bit of reading about WWII and where Russia,England,and some others were supplied from prior to our "official" entry into the(war) conflict. Perhaps "YOU" should read about lend/lease,perhaps you should read about how many of our men and women shuttled fighter aircraft across the "pond"! Perhaps you should read about the brave Merchant Marine folks that contributed so much to the effort!

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Marcia

Jun-25-13 4:21 PM

PR24601, you are incorrect. Iraq was an enemy of al Queda. They had nothing, nothing to do with it. Afghanistan did harbor them but we shouldn't attack and destroy nations for that reason. It has ruined our economy and solved nothing.

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Marcia

Jun-25-13 4:27 PM

joew, deaths in WW@: USA: 416,000, Soviet Union: 9-14,000,000, United Kingdon: 383,000. I will proudly admit we did rebuild the world after the war. That was when we were the best country ever. Now look at us, we spend so much on the military, much for these same countries, that it hurts our economy. We need to stop being the protectors of the world. Let spend our tax money on improving our country not defending the world.

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joew

Jun-25-13 6:20 PM

Marcia-we still ARE the best country far and away. I am fully aware of the deaths you mention. Did you see the women and children that Saddam gassed in the 14 villages with the WMD's? I DID!!! Do you want that Sarin let loose here in Fredonia,Dunkirk? Now it's in Syria,should we allow our sworn enemies to get their hands on that stuff. Tell me Marcia,what should we do,sit back and wait for it to happen or be proactive and do what we must to not allow it to reach our shores? Get real!

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Dcronlg

Jun-25-13 9:23 PM

Joeeew -- there you go again, saying stuff when you have no clue. We did not declare war, we did not engage in hostile actions, we did not commit troops, aircraft, naval forces until after Dec 8, 1941. Prior to that -- Lend Lease was, to coin FDR, "lending your neighbor your garden hose when his house is on fire" -- that's hardly fighting or enaginged in any material degree.

Germany and the UK were at war, killing each other, (YOU should read up on Battle of Britain -- any US fighters involved??NOT! duh...)since sept 1939.

YOU should read up on TOADY.

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Dcronlg

Jun-25-13 9:27 PM

joeeeew..."Do you want that Sarin let loose here in Fredonia, Dunkirk?"

Really? I mean, really?

"Do you want that Sarin let loose here in Fredonia, Dunkirk?" -- gawd, I can't even begin to make this kind of stuff up. Seriously toady stuff to the paranoia-delusional.

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American

Jun-25-13 9:38 PM

"Americans who served in Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain were" "Pilot Officer William ‘Billy’ Fiske Vernon Keogh (609 Squadron) Andrew Mamedoff (609 Squadron) Eugene Tobin (609 Squadron) Philip Leckrone (616 Squadron) Arthur Donahue (64 Squadron) John Haviland (151 Squadron) De Peysters Brown (1 RCAF Squadron) Carl Davis (601 Squadron)" Check your history DC you little toad.

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American

Jun-25-13 9:50 PM

"Nobody knows how many ‘secret Americans’ served in the Royal Air Force during the summer of 1940, or how many Canadians who joined the RAF were actually Americans who kept their nationality a secret. (The official number is 7.)* But the real figure is probably many times higher. The only trace of their true nationality are buried in squadron rosters – ‘Tex,’ or ‘America,’ or ‘Uncle Sam.’"Between June 1940 and December 1941, several hundred Americans volunteered to join the RAF. The best known are the fighter pilots, but others served in Bomber Command as pilots, navigators and air gunners." Yes it does look like DC is the real toad here. Along with being a jerk do you have anything in your life except being a troll?

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judeye

Jun-26-13 7:18 AM

PR24601@Marcia, Iraq and Afghanistan were attacked because they were known aiders and abettors for al Qaeda terrorist cells.

Would you please show where you got this information?

Of the 9/11 hijackers, 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. Logic would dictate if we were going to invade any country don't you think it should have been this one?

Richard Clark stated in his book that when called into the White House meeting in which he was told that we were going into Iraq..HE LAUGHED. He thought it was a joke as they had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Joke on us...one that we still paying for with both money and lives..

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judeye

Jun-26-13 7:22 AM

joew...oh you mean like we intervened in the genocide in Rwanda where up to a million people were slaughtered, almost 20% of that Country's population?

Make no mistake our invasion into Iraq had NOTHING to do with our safety or 9/11.

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Steiner

Jun-26-13 8:05 AM

Judeye, marcia and cronig , our local libs , always wrong. The US did rescue the world after WW2. Did ya forget about the Marshall Plan? That and plentiful, cheap arabian oil lifted europe form the ruins.At the start of WW2 , europe still had wreckage left from WW 1 . Britain was bankrupted after both wars .Fact cronig. Marcia, we spend more on entitlements than the military. Invasion of Iraq compared to rwanda ? Who cares about rwanda. judeye, once again knows no history at all. Iraq was created by the Brits, fact libs, look it up. The invasion lets those diversified mideasterners know who is in charge on the world scene.Judeye, try reading some history instead of being a do gooder. How is it you libs know so little history ?Did ya go to public schools and nothing else ?

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Steiner

Jun-26-13 8:13 AM

Judeye, if you knew any deeper historical currents you would know that the invasion of any mideastern country by the West is always a good idea. I know it is difficult to understand this when you are saving the planet with green energy, fighting fracking, being a good busy body etc. So libs, please try and read history of mideast and west. This is an east west thing. Ask cronig for a govt grant to help you.those superior govt types. Any time the west can inflict hundreds of thousands of mideatern casualties, it should never be passed up. Of course, you learned libs have no idea what i am talking about. Thats why the libs say, hey, hey, ho , ho, western civ has got to go ! Maybe thats why the hostess ho ho was almost killed by union action. Those unions !

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Steiner

Jun-26-13 8:18 AM

hey judeye and other unlearned libs. The unrest between the west and east is directly related to the followers of alexander the Great and Aristotle, the west for the libs and haroun al raschid and his unnamed but learned couselor.the east libs. So much mental issues and ideas here it boggles the mind. Judeye, missees this entirely, focusing on rwanda. Libs, ya just dont know too much. And you are proud of it.cronig, ya forgot to say uncle fester or steinerrrdz . I assure all you libs that the leading political types in europe, most deceased now would know of what I am speaking . libs , its time for you to save the planet !

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joew

Jun-26-13 8:36 AM

Dcronig-are you really that naive that you didn't understand the point about the sarin,are you really that naive???

Dcronig-you are dead wrong as usual,we engaged german forces on several different occasions before war was declared and that's a fact! Thousands of Americans via Canada joined with the Brits again prior to our declaration of war. Hit the books and put down your soap opera digest for a bit!

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joew

Jun-26-13 8:50 AM

Judeye-here is what you said,"joew...oh you mean like we intervened in the genocide in Rwanda where up to a million people were slaughtered, almost 20% of that Country's population"? Here is what I say-maybe if George Bush had been President that genocide would have been largely prevented!

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PR24601

Jun-26-13 10:02 AM

Please marcia and judeye, every ME country harbors terrorists, Iraq included.

joew - you cannot reason with these people when it comes to war talk. The liberals would sooner invite al Qaeda to a dinner party than find fault with an Arab nation. TIME magazine makes me puke.

If I was president I'd have nuked the entire region. When denounced by the UN for our actions, I'd have given them the finger, nuked it again, and asked if anyone still had a problem.

Then we'd put a zillion unemployed Americans to work securing our border, kick out all the illegals, and their families, and withdraw to isolationism - the money saved on policing the world would be used to fund energy independence, and we'd stockpile enough weaponry to make messing with us the silliest notion that could cross someone's mind.

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Marcia

Jun-26-13 4:33 PM

You cannot argue with ignorance, people who still believe we should have invaded Iraq. Although the overwhelming evidence is that there were no WMD's, Bush lied.

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American

Jun-26-13 4:37 PM

"You cannot argue with ignorance" exactly why I quit arguing with you Marcia. Keep up posting the facts PR and joew.

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joew

Jun-26-13 6:30 PM

Marcia-I have approximately 40 pictures of women(mothers)clutching their children in the most grotesque positions signifying the agony they most have gone through before dying a horrible death.As well I have pictures of elderly men with the same look of agony on their faces. Hundreds Marcia,not just a couple! Would you like to see them(refrain from eating beforehand)and then tell me there were no WMD"s.

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