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Fighting poverty

Area officials debate ways to help those hurting financially

July 6, 2013

Concerns over a dwindling middle class were on the minds of many people during a recent public forum on the current status of poverty in Chautauqua County....

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judeye

Jul-08-13 7:01 AM

bronski Judeye - do you have proof that what I am saying is not correct?

I am asking that you back up your statement that "There are many parents teacher their children how to work the system. Stand outside of any of the DSS offices and will you see." YOU made the statement that there are many who are teaching their children to work the system..I am asking YOU where did you get that information? Can you back that up with data?

The answer is NO you cannot. You have NO idea. You think by seeing people standing in front of the DSS office that somehow confirms that they are teaching their children not to work but rather game the system.

I just think that is an incorrect conclusion to come to..with no real facts or data to confirm it.

Much like many of those on talk radio that yell out twisted FALSE accusations and conclusions and act like they are facts. Rarely does anyone call them on it. Their listeners just take it all in, and then repeat the falsehoods.

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bronski

Jul-07-13 7:05 PM

Judeye - do you have proof that what I am saying is not correct? I never said that people who are working full time receive full benefits. I see it everyday and no I don't listen to what they say on the radio or news. No you would not be eligible for cash benefits unless you had a substantially large family. You would however be eligible for food stamps. Have you gone on to Mybenefits.ny.gov. Any one can see if they are eligible for any one of the programs. How do you know that I would be surprised that their is not as many generational recipients of benefits. You no nothing about me or what my line of work is. Be careful what you spout off to unless you have true hard facts. Pot calling the kettle black.

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whoreallycares

Jul-07-13 6:58 PM

Validictorian.

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whoreallycares

Jul-07-13 6:57 PM

Can't have Industrial High school back cuz the ederal Govt. has educational test standards that have to be met and their isn't room for teaching trades. What many of our public high schools are now teaching are what was always supposed to be taught in college. But now we have the vlidectorian with a mark 5-10 points above an "A" cuz they took college prep courses. BUT pretty soon noone in the middle class will be able to afford college. Only in America...

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mcjens

Jul-07-13 9:13 AM

I have never seen anyone kicked off of welfare cause no job. There is NO WAY 85% on welfare are working, id think maybe 40 % .Ive hear from people that work and have low income and kids and cant get help with anything cause they make $10. to much a month.If you ever work in any kind of store and cash out someone with a benefit card, you would be very angry, as I have seen and other working customers see

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judeye

Jul-07-13 8:22 AM

stangv8

One of the worse things Dunkirk schools ever did was getting rid of its industrial high school which taught the trade skills.

AMEN..AGREE!!!!

why they ever did that is beyond me. How can we bring it back?

Right now there are kids who do want to learn auto mechanics, welding, etc..but where? Boces only has so many slots per school district. Out of luck if you don't get into one of those slots. Crazy system to me...

When we ran training programs, whether in welding, machinist, clerical, etc...we had NO problem filling them. Our measure of success was in the percentage getting jobs following the training. I can still look around here and see many who went through the training..some have even opened up their own businesses now. Training and education is the key out of poverty. It also is the key to our entire future here.

What is being done to bring companies to our area? What is being done to increase training for our workers?

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stangv8

Jul-07-13 8:09 AM

The reason there’s a shortage of welders, machinists, electricians, etc is because our young people have been hammered for decades they need to go to college to get a better education which will lead to a better job. We have millions with degrees in various management fields but there are only so many management positions to be filled. These young people graduate degree in hand but nowhere to go. Young people have been brainwashed to believe those laborer jobs are beneath them and only college is their salvation. So, while they’re living with their parents still, those kids who weren’t afraid to get sweaty and greasy are pulling in the big money while their college bound classmates are on welfare

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stangv8

Jul-07-13 8:01 AM

Judeye, actually there is a serious shortage of skilled welders in this country. Welders in the Dakota oil fields are making well over $5,000 per week; brother-in-law of a coworker is making $11,500 weekly as a machinist/welder. This guy is former USAF nuclear certified welder. On the new San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge they had to turn to China for laborers because no American company had sufficient qualified welders to complete the project. Welders, carpenters, machinists, electricians, and other trade skills are in high demand. Unfortunately they’re not in demand in Western NY which has stagnated but you head to the Midwestern states and further west and they are in great demand. One of the worse things Dunkirk schools ever did was getting rid of its industrial high school which taught the trade skills.

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judeye

Jul-07-13 8:00 AM

bronski "The are many parents teacher their children how to work the system. "

Would you please share with us the number of GENERATIONs on welfare? How many families who are on welfare were raised on welfare?

Oh..you don't have those numbers?

Just like hadenough.....you cannot back up your statements with numbers because just maybe they are INCORRECT.

Seriously, you hear this stuff from some guy yelling on the radio and you take it as fact.

Show me the stats. Maybe ask this paper to do an article on the actual numbers, and of those how many are seniors, disabled, children or working.

I would love to see the numbers. I think they will greatly surprise you. They are fall less than most think. Most of the people on assistance receive food stamps and or medicaid. They are working. we the taxpayers are supplementing their benefits.

How can you work full time and still be eligible for welfare? That is where our outrage should lay.

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Chuck392

Jul-06-13 10:39 PM

You do realize that NY spends $256 annually per resident for "welfare benefits," while the national average is $99. NY spends the most of any state and Texas spends the least at $32. Why are taxes here so high? Gee, I wonder. Cathy and Andy know this, but downstate legislators like welfare the way it is.

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DKexpat

Jul-06-13 10:03 PM

Um...the Great Depression began during Hoover's term of office; Roosevelt didn't take office until 1933.

High NYS taxes are a stop sign for any business looking to relocate. Generational public assistance rather than personal pride is near-pandemic. Taxpayers are forced to pay more for less.

Is there a way out for WNY and NYS in general? Can they compete with more business-friendly states? Is it too late? I dunno - but the light at the end of the tunnel is becoming dimmer and dimmer...

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225522

Jul-06-13 9:31 PM

Nice speeches however no action plans that I could find. i.e. We will pass this legislation on this date. The desired effect to do this. The result is.....Nice talk like always. BUT NO CHANGE!

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whoreallycares

Jul-06-13 7:42 PM

The word **** in my previous post was the opposite of HEAVEN...

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whoreallycares

Jul-06-13 7:40 PM

All of our elected politicians have become nothing more then prostitutes. Selling themselves for money. I think there are only a couple of states where this is actually legal. Middle class will survive as long as the public employee unions remain strong. Once those unions start realizing they are supporting over half the country they will become part of the problem. Then the rich, not the meek, will have inherited the country. I have heard nothing from the republican party that they can't tax the rich cuz they are the ones who create the jobs. WHERE THE*****ARE THEY?????

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bronski

Jul-06-13 7:25 PM

Thank you joew. You are right and Dcronlg needs to look up the facts before spouting off. Timeisthefire you need to get a reality check. The are many parents teacher their children how to work the system. Stand outside of any of the DSS offices and will you see. This has always been and on going problem. Until NYS changes the constitution the 5 year federal limit means nothing to this state. Hence, that is why we have so many that come to this state to receive our lucrative tax payer dollars.

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timeisthefire

Jul-06-13 6:11 PM

All you haters there is a 5yr. limit on collecting welfare benefits ... look it up ,if you stop your hate mongering, You might have a clue whats going on ... there isn't family generations living on the public doll anymore so get over yourselves or hate on the IRS $250K weekend getaways...

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timeisthefire

Jul-06-13 5:41 PM

All you haters there is a 5yr. limit on collecting welfare benefits ... look it up ,if you stop your hate mongering, You might have a clue whats going on ... there isn't family generations living on the public doll anymore so get over yourselves or hate on the IRS $250K weekend getaways...

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joew

Jul-06-13 5:20 PM

Dcroakniggggggggggg-ever hear of the NYS program that kicks in after the federal 60 month program?????Its called safety net!!!!!!!!!!! Read up on it and get back to us lamebrain!

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Dcronlg

Jul-06-13 4:50 PM

Bronski, Toadeeeeew -- NYS TANF is mandated & regulated under the federal TANF law -- there no way NYS welfare supersedes TANF.

Check a website or two before you spout something you know nothing about -- or as with Toadeeewww, don't bother with facts.

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Christopher

Jul-06-13 3:31 PM

All of these answers crack me up in their unabashed simplicity. (or is it simple mindedness)Blaming one party over the other is just nonsense. GW Bush spent us into the largest budget deficit in history and oversaw a total collapse of the economy. Barrack Obama has done nothing successfully To deal with any of it. Having people point the finger at the opposing party is just what those in power want you to do. by the way, most states don't have a Town Government, only cities and the county. Town government is an anachronism from old English law, which is why they only exist here in some if the 13 original states. Look around you, what does the Town do besides plow roads?

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joew

Jul-06-13 1:43 PM

Thanks Bronski-saved me a bunch of typing trying to explain why the lazy's come to NY and stay in NY.When you have the Dcroaknigs of the world who have no idea of how after the 60 month FEDERAL program expires the state(we need the votes)kicks in.

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joew

Jul-06-13 1:33 PM

Thanks Bronski-saved me a bunch of typing trying to explain why the lazy's come to NY and stay in NY.When you have the Dcroaknigs of the world who have no idea of how after the 60 month FEDERAL program expires the state(we need the votes)kicks in.

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bronski

Jul-06-13 11:43 AM

PhilJulian-I agree with you wholeheartedly. To much government in this county, actually across this state. The times when small villages where necessary have been long gone. It is time to stop gouging the middle class. Silver Creek is the highest taxed village in the county. Remtronics left and now Petris. There is nothing left to sustain the need for local government. The Town of Hanover is certainly capable of taking over the 1.2 square miles. We need a leader that will take the bull by the horns and get this done and make Chautauqua County viable again.

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bronski

Jul-06-13 11:37 AM

Dcronlg - yes the TANF limit is 60 months federally however, NYS has the wonderful constitution that allows them to be on a long as necessary. The program is responsible for paying there rent and utilities. Anything past that is theirs. I agree that we need to do some work but there are more and more young people that have no drive or ambition to work. They want high paying jobs as well as continuing getting their benefits. It is a society of entitlements. This we should blame on the parents raising these children. I can understand receiving food stamps but I would kick my kids a**** if they ever resorted to TANF. A job is a job, maybe not a career but at least it is something. Time to stop the crying and take responsibility for yourselves.

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PhilJulian

Jul-06-13 9:44 AM

Assemblyman Goodell is asolutely correct. Our manufacturing is in competion with the rest of the world. A good example is NRG. The company can't sell electricity at a higher price than the competition and they may go out of business. Taxes are a major factor. NRG has to generate $8 million in profit just to pay their local taxes. Reducing the size and cost of government is absolutely essential and to those of you in Silver Creek, yes, that means accepting the Sheriff's Department for law enforcement. All eight law enfocement agencies in the county need to be merged into the Sheriff's Department.

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