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Water district: Village must quit stalling

July 8, 2013

Though our county has plenty of it with a Great Lake on our western border, water remains a contentious issue in this region....

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PhilJulian

Jul-12-13 8:57 PM

DARKSTAR - I would like to see that study also. I would compare our cost of both government and education to other counties with a similar size population. I would include counties in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Carolinas, Georgia ad Florida.

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DarkStar

Jul-12-13 8:29 AM

PhilJulian,

I really wish the Observer would put in some effort and put together a story on the full cost of government in our County and show the total numbers of city/town/village/County workers, and the total bill we pay for all of it.

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PhilJulian

Jul-10-13 6:24 PM

BAASEBALL - I have no problem contracting with Fredonia so long as we change our name to DUNKONIA! One thing is clear. Community pride is standing in the way of progress. Maybe if we call our football team the HILLBILLIES we can overcome some of the obstacles. Clearly, many people simply don't understand the advantages of smaller, less costly government. The smart people have already left.

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baseball

Jul-10-13 10:09 AM

Phil, also, I do have a lot of respect for the officers on the Fredonia Police Dept, they also do a very good job!, would not want to get rid of them either! Again, look at the two budgets for roughly the same size communities, Fredonia does it much better! So we are not duplicating services at all. Consolidation has proven in the past that there is not much savings, just look at Chautauqua and Mayville schools, what a joke that turned out to be!

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baseball

Jul-10-13 10:04 AM

Phil, I will give ya that Dunkirk has a good Police Dept, but I will take Fredonia's Fire Dept. any day, talking about fire do you know what a ISO rating is, I asked and found out, it has to do with fire protection and what each community is supposed to have for fire equipment, like Ladder Trucks, Fredonia IS supposed to have one and so is Dunkirk, you cant share only one! Just because you have all paid drivers, does not make you better, Your fire chief drove out the Volunteers, for anything they have to call in off duty which causes a lot of overtime. Besides Fredonia is paramedic level! Streets are about equal, But Fredonia's streets are usually plowed before Dunkirks are. take our water any day! By the way when Fredonia does have to buy water from Dunkirk, it does not feed my area! So Phil I say that Dunkirk has duplication of services, get rid of yours and contract with Fredonia, what do you say to that!

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PhilJulian

Jul-10-13 9:21 AM

Baseball - you must be kidding! Police, Fire, Public Works, water treatment and distribution, sewage treatment, snow removal just to name a few.

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baseball

Jul-10-13 2:19 AM

What duplication's Phil!

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Nathan

Jul-09-13 8:43 PM

Dunkirk! Fredonia! Dunkirk! Fredonia! Drunkirk! Freedonuts! Everyone, leave it be. The pettiness isn't bringing the community together. Regional Water isn't about one city over the other. It's about a shared resource, controlled by a regional water board.

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PhilJulian

Jul-09-13 8:42 PM

Baseball - there is a reason why Dunkirk spends twice as much as Fredonia - it's because it can. If NRG were located in Fredonia you would see an immediate village hiring spree along with hefty pay raises. Fredonia has a very limited tax base, the college pays nothing and that explains Fredonia's frugality. That does not change the fact that all the services provided in Fredonia are duplications of services also provided in Dunkirk. United we stand and divided we fall but in the absense of quality leadership neither community can survive. Once a politician gets elected they could care less about taxpayers. The voting public needs to wake-up.

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baseball

Jul-09-13 2:13 PM

DarkStar, What superiority, Dunkirk and Fredonia are the roughly the same size, yet Fredonia does it cheaper, THAT IS A FACT, something that Phil has even mentioned before, why would I want to give that up for a community that blows away chunks of money!

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DarkStar

Jul-09-13 12:25 PM

While I live in the Fredonia School district I have to ask baseball if maybe the whole Fredonia superiority complex had something to do with Brocton voting down merging schools with Fredonia and then voting to merge with Westfield?

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baseball

Jul-09-13 12:13 PM

What I don't get, is that PhilJulian always talks about how we are about the same size communities, yet Fredonia does it much cheaper, then he goes off and states that We in Fredonia should get rid of our duplicated services and equipment, what phil talking out of both sides of the mouth?

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baseball

Jul-09-13 12:09 PM

PR24601, I dont have a problem with consolidation, I do have a problem with being run by Dunkirk! Same size communities, yet Fredonia both Village and Schools do it much cheaper--look at the budgets, then come back and talk to me!

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PR24601

Jul-09-13 11:35 AM

@baseball - jealous? Puh-leaze. I don't ahve children in school in DK, but your stats are inherently flawed because of the socioeconomic factors that go into rating public schools in NYS, and in America as a whole.

It's well known that higher income districts have students that perform better overall than low income areas. The burbs v the city. It doesn't mean the school is any better. A youth in DK can make the most of his education, regardless of what his peers decide to (or not to) do. There are fine teachers in both districts and not so fine as well.

For the sake of the area they should be combined. It's time for the Northern Chautauqua CSD, but it's attitudes like yours that will keep us mired in class B/C/D schools with limited resources and opportunities, when we could offer so much more under one umbrella. Get your nose out of the sky and see how something benefits all of us.

Oh BTW - H20 around 107/qtr in DK.

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DarkStar

Jul-09-13 10:48 AM

baseball,

Sorry to say but the reason the County is so fragmented is people with attitudes like yours.

People coming to our area from other areas of the country and amazed at how fragmented and disfunctional everything is in our County.

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baseball

Jul-09-13 10:16 AM

PhilJulian, what duplication of services and equipment are you talking about Phil? There you go the Dunkirk snob coming out of you, we in Fredonia should give up everything that we have and just all become Dunkirk, well news flash Phil, Fredonia is about the same size as Dunkirk, yet look at our budgets, we do it a lot cheaper! Why dont you in Dunkirk give up your services and equipment!

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PhilJulian

Jul-09-13 9:22 AM

PR24601 has it right. Fredonians have an attitude problem and a natural resistance to anything "Dunkirk". I have never walked throug a cemetary and seen a tombstone inscription that reads "I lived my life in Fredonia". The village is just three miles from an endless supply of fresh water and they refuse to take advantage of it. When Kesicki was mayor of Dunkirk he offered water to Fredonia at a price of $1.20 per thousand gallons and the village refused it. Oh, I know, everntually te city would raise prices an obscene amount - right? Those things can be controlled with contractual escallator clauses. So, Frdonia, take pride in your student housing and hope your remaining industry don't run out of water. Go ahead and pay for your duplication of equipment and services. Go ahead and keep your noses pointed to the heavens but just remember that we are all in this boat together and when the Titanic went down very few survived.

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Nathan

Jul-09-13 9:11 AM

Steiner actually brings up a good point. People are moving to the desert and they will need water. The discussions of culverting water from the lake to those areas are complicated, but something being considered as a feasible approach to provide water who need it and create more farmland. The more people in the area that use the lake for drinking water will actually make a stronger justification to keeping it. I would strongly urge Mayor Keefe to consider helping regionalize water resources for a declining population.

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 8:16 AM

Hey baseball, what planet are you on. Plenty of water in the southwest ?Where, the colorado river ? I know people moving into desert communities where the water supply is only garanteed for 20 years. generators fail ? Since when ? What did i read about the dunkirk plant turbines after 50 years , they still ran after throwing a turbine blade or two. How many old tractors do I see still running ?

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concerned

Jul-08-13 8:37 PM

Last summer was extremely dry and low and behold Fredonia had no problems they where so happy they decided to commit to supply water districts in Pomfret. Then once the ink was dry on the new contracts guess what by some error on the part of a village official ( Who quickly retired )it was discovered that someone left the tap open from Dunkirk most of the summer. Baseball you have been flimflammed into supplying water you may not have Fredonia will now be legally liable to keep it flowing. Watch what happens next time a drought hits you will be drinking Bottled water or Dunkirk water whether you like it or not you will also likely be sucking water out of Cassadaga lake again!

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baseball

Jul-08-13 5:01 PM

PR24601, You have NO CLUE! My Village tax is not that high, If it was not for national grid which pays 50% of your school taxes and a large share of your City tax, Dunkirk would be gone, and that might happen very soon! Even with Nat Grid paying a majority of your taxes, the tax rate in the City is still high. My water bill in Fredonia is cheap, including sewer, I pay about $100 Quarterly, that's it, for a family of 6! Why is it our School rates much better than Dunkirks? Over-rated I dont think so, Academically its rated prety good, Fredonia also has the 4th. best rated sports program in Western New York! You are just jealous!

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PR24601

Jul-08-13 4:12 PM

I get a kick out of the whole DK v FRED rivalry. The snobs v the peasants. White collar v working man. Self-annointed richies v self-ware poor folk. Stoned out underachievers v their dealers. High society v the melting pot.

A travesty that they were separate entities to begin with, and a flat-out embarrassment that they can't conjoin today. Folks, get over it, D/F is one town, and much could be accomplished by consolidating.

But go ahead your Fredonians - keep your high taxes and attend those overrated schools. Thank God it didn't cost me 120K to buy a hellhole in DK.

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Nathan

Jul-08-13 3:21 PM

As a watershed expert, Fredonia should join in with a regional water authority. The amount of money that it will save and the consolidation of government will be a disguised future blessing. It's something that both democrats and republicans can identify to be good for the environment, and economically beneficial for the entire community.

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commentor

Jul-08-13 1:11 PM

I agree it is a mistake for Fredonia to join up. This is just a money maker for Dunkirk. Anyone that hooks up with anything Dunkirk is in charge of is just plain NUTS!!!! Just look at how they run their city. You want them controlling your water??? NO NO NO NO Fredonia do NOT join!!!!!!

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Marcia

Jul-08-13 12:17 PM

Still bringing up that water issue last year? Have you nothing else? Would you have preferred they not get the water from Dunkirk at the time, and not have water to supply to the residents and businesses? As stated many times, the outcome would have been no different if the village had been informed. You keep implying differently.

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