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Water district: Village must quit stalling

July 8, 2013

Though our county has plenty of it with a Great Lake on our western border, water remains a contentious issue in this region....

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baseball

Jul-08-13 1:01 AM

Take your chadwick bay and shove it, its nothing more than a money maker for the city of Dunkirk, then Dunkirk will control the water rates! This system will have to depend on power to pump all that water around, it needs to be pumped up hill to Fredonia. Fredonia has a fine gravity fed system, if the power goes out, the water still flows. Granted they need to work on some things, but Fredonia still scores high in the County water tasting competition. Dunkirk at times have had problems with their water plant, AND there have been times when Fredonia has supplied Dunkirk with water. Mr. Editor, get off your throne and come down into the real world and see what life really is.

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Steiner

Jul-08-13 8:33 AM

funny i do not remember fredonia ever supplying water to dunkirk like we have seen the reverse. If we were in a desert, we would have a shortage of sand due to inept govt.Wow, I have lost track of how many times the editor has been mocked in the comments section. Gravity feed is great, but pumps and backup generators have been invented I think, baseball.explain to us baseball, the growth in the arid southwest, where water is only garanteed for 20 years. Mean while,in WNY we have a lake and businesses and people are leaving ? Gravity have something to do with it ?

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Steiner

Jul-08-13 8:35 AM

hey baseball, they are fracking galore in the arid west. we cannot frack here due to concerns we may run out of fresh water ? Must be gravity is different in the west than here. or is it the govt employee ?

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Dcronlg

Jul-08-13 9:23 AM

The village of Fredonia doesn't need anyone, doesn't need to bailout anyone or raise their stature through inclusion.

Fredonia isn't stalling; they are maintaining their independence -- all anyone needs to do is drive down Central Avenue, and its surrounding streets, see all the homes and lawns and then drive through Dunkirk and all the other municipalities of this northern water district.

Its as plain as day why Fredonia shouldn't, couldn't and wouldn't want to have anything to do with the others. Sucking off rich Fredonia to support the other downward economic towns -- sounds very liberal to me....

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baseball

Jul-08-13 10:50 AM

Steiner, grow up, what an ignorant person you are!!!! Fredonia has supplied Dunkirk with water in the past. Generators can fail, plus numerous pumping stations will need to be built, at what cost, will the water be cheaper than what it is now? Probably not. This is just a cash cow to bail out Dunkirk, once it is up and running, watch the price of water rise! If Fredonia's plant was in such a bad way, the State would come in and shut it down! There is still water in the Southwest as there is still water here. I will take the gravity fed system that still has water, versus being at the mercy of Dunkirk!

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Marcia

Jul-08-13 12:17 PM

Still bringing up that water issue last year? Have you nothing else? Would you have preferred they not get the water from Dunkirk at the time, and not have water to supply to the residents and businesses? As stated many times, the outcome would have been no different if the village had been informed. You keep implying differently.

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commentor

Jul-08-13 1:11 PM

I agree it is a mistake for Fredonia to join up. This is just a money maker for Dunkirk. Anyone that hooks up with anything Dunkirk is in charge of is just plain NUTS!!!! Just look at how they run their city. You want them controlling your water??? NO NO NO NO Fredonia do NOT join!!!!!!

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Nathan

Jul-08-13 3:21 PM

As a watershed expert, Fredonia should join in with a regional water authority. The amount of money that it will save and the consolidation of government will be a disguised future blessing. It's something that both democrats and republicans can identify to be good for the environment, and economically beneficial for the entire community.

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PR24601

Jul-08-13 4:12 PM

I get a kick out of the whole DK v FRED rivalry. The snobs v the peasants. White collar v working man. Self-annointed richies v self-ware poor folk. Stoned out underachievers v their dealers. High society v the melting pot.

A travesty that they were separate entities to begin with, and a flat-out embarrassment that they can't conjoin today. Folks, get over it, D/F is one town, and much could be accomplished by consolidating.

But go ahead your Fredonians - keep your high taxes and attend those overrated schools. Thank God it didn't cost me 120K to buy a hellhole in DK.

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baseball

Jul-08-13 5:01 PM

PR24601, You have NO CLUE! My Village tax is not that high, If it was not for national grid which pays 50% of your school taxes and a large share of your City tax, Dunkirk would be gone, and that might happen very soon! Even with Nat Grid paying a majority of your taxes, the tax rate in the City is still high. My water bill in Fredonia is cheap, including sewer, I pay about $100 Quarterly, that's it, for a family of 6! Why is it our School rates much better than Dunkirks? Over-rated I dont think so, Academically its rated prety good, Fredonia also has the 4th. best rated sports program in Western New York! You are just jealous!

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concerned

Jul-08-13 8:37 PM

Last summer was extremely dry and low and behold Fredonia had no problems they where so happy they decided to commit to supply water districts in Pomfret. Then once the ink was dry on the new contracts guess what by some error on the part of a village official ( Who quickly retired )it was discovered that someone left the tap open from Dunkirk most of the summer. Baseball you have been flimflammed into supplying water you may not have Fredonia will now be legally liable to keep it flowing. Watch what happens next time a drought hits you will be drinking Bottled water or Dunkirk water whether you like it or not you will also likely be sucking water out of Cassadaga lake again!

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 8:16 AM

Hey baseball, what planet are you on. Plenty of water in the southwest ?Where, the colorado river ? I know people moving into desert communities where the water supply is only garanteed for 20 years. generators fail ? Since when ? What did i read about the dunkirk plant turbines after 50 years , they still ran after throwing a turbine blade or two. How many old tractors do I see still running ?

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Nathan

Jul-09-13 9:11 AM

Steiner actually brings up a good point. People are moving to the desert and they will need water. The discussions of culverting water from the lake to those areas are complicated, but something being considered as a feasible approach to provide water who need it and create more farmland. The more people in the area that use the lake for drinking water will actually make a stronger justification to keeping it. I would strongly urge Mayor Keefe to consider helping regionalize water resources for a declining population.

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PhilJulian

Jul-09-13 9:22 AM

PR24601 has it right. Fredonians have an attitude problem and a natural resistance to anything "Dunkirk". I have never walked throug a cemetary and seen a tombstone inscription that reads "I lived my life in Fredonia". The village is just three miles from an endless supply of fresh water and they refuse to take advantage of it. When Kesicki was mayor of Dunkirk he offered water to Fredonia at a price of $1.20 per thousand gallons and the village refused it. Oh, I know, everntually te city would raise prices an obscene amount - right? Those things can be controlled with contractual escallator clauses. So, Frdonia, take pride in your student housing and hope your remaining industry don't run out of water. Go ahead and pay for your duplication of equipment and services. Go ahead and keep your noses pointed to the heavens but just remember that we are all in this boat together and when the Titanic went down very few survived.

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baseball

Jul-09-13 10:16 AM

PhilJulian, what duplication of services and equipment are you talking about Phil? There you go the Dunkirk snob coming out of you, we in Fredonia should give up everything that we have and just all become Dunkirk, well news flash Phil, Fredonia is about the same size as Dunkirk, yet look at our budgets, we do it a lot cheaper! Why dont you in Dunkirk give up your services and equipment!

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DarkStar

Jul-09-13 10:48 AM

baseball,

Sorry to say but the reason the County is so fragmented is people with attitudes like yours.

People coming to our area from other areas of the country and amazed at how fragmented and disfunctional everything is in our County.

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PR24601

Jul-09-13 11:35 AM

@baseball - jealous? Puh-leaze. I don't ahve children in school in DK, but your stats are inherently flawed because of the socioeconomic factors that go into rating public schools in NYS, and in America as a whole.

It's well known that higher income districts have students that perform better overall than low income areas. The burbs v the city. It doesn't mean the school is any better. A youth in DK can make the most of his education, regardless of what his peers decide to (or not to) do. There are fine teachers in both districts and not so fine as well.

For the sake of the area they should be combined. It's time for the Northern Chautauqua CSD, but it's attitudes like yours that will keep us mired in class B/C/D schools with limited resources and opportunities, when we could offer so much more under one umbrella. Get your nose out of the sky and see how something benefits all of us.

Oh BTW - H20 around 107/qtr in DK.

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baseball

Jul-09-13 12:09 PM

PR24601, I dont have a problem with consolidation, I do have a problem with being run by Dunkirk! Same size communities, yet Fredonia both Village and Schools do it much cheaper--look at the budgets, then come back and talk to me!

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baseball

Jul-09-13 12:13 PM

What I don't get, is that PhilJulian always talks about how we are about the same size communities, yet Fredonia does it much cheaper, then he goes off and states that We in Fredonia should get rid of our duplicated services and equipment, what phil talking out of both sides of the mouth?

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DarkStar

Jul-09-13 12:25 PM

While I live in the Fredonia School district I have to ask baseball if maybe the whole Fredonia superiority complex had something to do with Brocton voting down merging schools with Fredonia and then voting to merge with Westfield?

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baseball

Jul-09-13 2:13 PM

DarkStar, What superiority, Dunkirk and Fredonia are the roughly the same size, yet Fredonia does it cheaper, THAT IS A FACT, something that Phil has even mentioned before, why would I want to give that up for a community that blows away chunks of money!

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PhilJulian

Jul-09-13 8:42 PM

Baseball - there is a reason why Dunkirk spends twice as much as Fredonia - it's because it can. If NRG were located in Fredonia you would see an immediate village hiring spree along with hefty pay raises. Fredonia has a very limited tax base, the college pays nothing and that explains Fredonia's frugality. That does not change the fact that all the services provided in Fredonia are duplications of services also provided in Dunkirk. United we stand and divided we fall but in the absense of quality leadership neither community can survive. Once a politician gets elected they could care less about taxpayers. The voting public needs to wake-up.

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Nathan

Jul-09-13 8:43 PM

Dunkirk! Fredonia! Dunkirk! Fredonia! Drunkirk! Freedonuts! Everyone, leave it be. The pettiness isn't bringing the community together. Regional Water isn't about one city over the other. It's about a shared resource, controlled by a regional water board.

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baseball

Jul-10-13 2:19 AM

What duplication's Phil!

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PhilJulian

Jul-10-13 9:21 AM

Baseball - you must be kidding! Police, Fire, Public Works, water treatment and distribution, sewage treatment, snow removal just to name a few.

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