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Locke’s beliefs stand test of time

July 8, 2013

A cursory glance at recent headlines carry words such as: “The Economy in Stress,” “Where Are the Jobs?” “Scandal after Scandal Seems to be Emerging,” “Threats of Terror,” “Freedoms Eroded,......

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Grandaddy

Jul-08-13 7:41 AM

The US republic began its downfall shortly after the Civil war, during the Gilded Age, with the marriage of government, military and the ever-growing capitalist industrial complex. By the end of WW2 the republic was stone cold dead and in its place the two-party, bread and circus, warrior empire we see today.

American "democracy" today consists of the mega-corporations providing their two representatives, both pro-Zionist, pro-war, multi-millionaire puppets representing the two party sham; both bought and paid for by the same corporate bosses. Identical twins, differing only over the degree of correctness one should employ when atomizing the defenseless in order to steal their natural resources, in the name of Freedom, Democracy and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sadly, this is the typical Heichberger posting… a feel-good, idealist fable, so far from reality it borderlines on the delusional.

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Steiner

Jul-08-13 8:00 AM

It is grandaddy that is deluded. America pro war ? huh ? We were dragged into WW1 , same with WW2. We demilitarized after both. This was seen as weakness , hence another mobilization.Korean war followed this pattern. Truman gutted the so called war machine. The soviets got the bomb from leaked science.Should we have waited grandaddy to be attacked so you could feel good ? Corporations bad ? the libs can never get over that.corporations are not people but unions are ! The govt declared war on the corporations with anti trust and later, the gilded age with the income tax. Grandaddy knows nothing.Hey learned grandaddy , get past the slogans and answer me this. where would we be without the corporations like oil, electricity or even nuclear . we would have no forests, no whales and cold homes. It would be like north korea. they have no wood, no electric lights as proved by satellite night shots but a wonderful govt, right grandaddy ?The deluded liberal mind at work in grandaddy.

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Steiner

Jul-08-13 8:26 AM

Hey grandaddy, if the corporations bought off so many govt people, how is it std oil could not stop a break up ?std oil and john d money wealth was somewhere between 1 and 1 and a half percent of US domestic product. A staggering sum back then and even today. How did std oil form any ways ? do ya know any history ? How did we get the auto industry ? All done because the govt was limited. Now obama wants us to buy electric cars. strange since his home country of Africa has 25% steady juice. 50 % no juice and the rest intermittent.If not for the corporation Hitler would have won as germany had , for the size of the country, vastly superior science.The chemical industry still uses german chemical science today grandaddy.Tell us about the sacred, indispensible govt employee and i will be unable stop laughing or mocking for it was the other way around. Why even JP Morgan bailed out the US govt in his day. Grandaddy lets hear from you ! more drivel please.

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Grandaddy

Jul-08-13 11:37 AM

Since the end of WW11, the US attacked China (1945-46); Korea (1950-53); Guatemala (1954, 1967-69); Cuba (1959-60); Belgian Congo (1964); Vietnam (1961-73); Cambodia (1969-70); Grenada (1983); Libya (1986); El Salvador (1980-92); Nicaragua (1981-90); Panama (1989); Iraq (1991); Bosnia (1995); Sudan (1998); Yugoslavia (1999); Afghanistan (2001-07); and Iraq twice.

Also a "a police action" in Columbia (1997-02), an insurrection in Chile (1973), and numerous other covert bombings under the direction of the CIA. From 1945 to the end of the 20th century, the U.S. has attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments. In the process, the US bombed 25 countries and killed several million innocent people. The last fifty years of continual military conflict, combined with a insatiable capitalist mind-set of "I'm gonna get mine, now" has socialized Americans into a violent, warrior culture, that even now wallows in the quagmire of illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

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Grandaddy

Jul-08-13 11:38 AM

US Warrior Culture

War against the Native Americans lasted for 250 years. Beginning in 1637, with the virtual extermination of the Pequot in New England, the "conflict" finally ended December 29, 1890 with the bloody massacre at "Wounded Knee". During the two and a half centuries of "Indian Removal", the US fought for and won its independence in 1776, defeated Britain again in the war of 1812, defeated Spain winning the U.S.-Mexico war in 1846 and fought the bloodiest war in United States history, the US Civil War.

Less than forty years after the Civil War, a united, industrialized US provoked the Spanish-American War in 1898. The Spanish-American War was the beginning of US imperialism (the taking of colonies) with the US acquiring Guam, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines

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Carlaw

Jul-08-13 12:21 PM

Rousseau wrote the Social Contract.

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Marcia

Jul-08-13 12:26 PM

Actually the economy is improving, the deficit is reduced, republicans have failed to consider jobs bills, instead voting 37 times to get rid of health care, every so-called scandal has been debunked, there have been no terrorist attacks to the US under Obama. your problem.

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robert

Jul-08-13 2:26 PM

consulted My roberttrons and the ancient texts, they told me Steiner "has no clue"

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Dcronlg

Jul-08-13 9:48 PM

Somehow, dear Doctor, you need to explain the most glaring omission and the largest flaw in your thinking on Locke, the founding fathers and our republic: Slavery and Native Americans.

Somehow, "...Property as defined by Locke, is all that a man can produce with his labor. The bounty of that labor belongs to him and no other individual. It was Locke who said "Every person has a property in his own person that belongs to oneself." ...didn't apply to slaves.

Somehow, "the social contract is fulfilled and men are safe, secure and then can truly enjoy the bounty of "Life, Liberty and Property", didn't apply to Native Americans.

No, Doctor, no -- Locke wasn't a model for the 18th century and certainly not for the 21st.

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 7:44 AM

Marcia, you are confused as all liberals are. No terror attacks under obama ? What was the boston bomber thing ? We have the longest stretch of high unemployment since 1948. Obamacare OK ? huh ? He delayed the employer mandate democrats would look good. Marcia. You and robert are confused. robhert just says nonsense, like dk , ancient texts and robertrons. Hey robert, my energized gas has been proved in lab and driving around. 25% increase in mileage, steinertron, no chemicals. Robert, you dont know anything. libs always quote slavery , yet forget the libs fought a huge war to keep it. cronig missed that as usual. Learned libs are unlearned.

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 7:53 AM

hey libs, lets look st the biggest wars and who was in on them. Civil war, ww1, ww2, Korea, Vietnam and abortions . Democrats and the heart of them all. The democrats like cronig now pretend to be the former slaves friends, while for decades enslaving them in one war or another . The libs even fought civil rights , cronig. facts libs, facts. You libs are so unlearned. robert say something stupid now, like roberttron. Hey unlearned robert, the term steinertron is a joining of cyclotron and steirner. ever hear of cyclotrons ? They actually exist. Talk to dk, maybe he can say aluminum foil or talk backwards.Any more unlearned lib comments ?

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 8:05 AM

hey unlearned cronig, the party you love, the dumbacrats , just before the civil war outlawed steam in a few major southern cities. They were fighting global warming back then. Motive power was to be slaves and animals. Those smart democrats eh cronig ? Slavery was since time immemorial, labor had to be done in some fashion. The libs resisted a slave buyout like in the UK. The US is the only country I know of that fought such a bloody civil war. a war with who ? The dumbacrats. Now you want to present yourself as lily white.For the unlearned posters like dk and robert, slavery and freedom , a huge union of opposites, a struggle as the leninists would say, worked itself out . Some of the former slaves went back to the system and live in the democratic cities. Go figure.

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DKexpat

Jul-09-13 8:43 AM

Geeeez, how did I get dragged into this again?

Maybe you can help me with this word from the ancient texts: c-r-a-z-y.

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 8:44 AM

Hey marcia, you forgot Ft Hood shootings, shouting allah es akbar. Workplace violence was the whitewash. You just defend your guy marcia. Jobs, you sound like judeye, we had the stimulus , it did not work. Now you want more of the same ? Please explain marcia.

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 8:52 AM

dk and robert are fun to read. Like all liberals, they simply throw out millenia of philosophy, lifetimes of scholary work. They say, aluminum foil, crazy, talk backwards, etc.Why is that ? Just think if dk lived when radioactivity discovered. He would deny it. Or radio.People fled in fear of a tesla high frequency demonstration, they could not believe their eyes. I just love reading the comments here. This is the 21st century and people are so ignorant. Gotta be those public schools or democrats. Who else runs education ?

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Steiner

Jul-09-13 9:35 AM

While cronig is still faulting the founding fathers, because no democrat ever made a mistake apparently, 72 people shot in chicago over a weekend. democratic stronghold with strict gun control posters! Americans are strongly in need of a good philosophic basis of life. Something lacking in todays education.Hey posters did ya catch foxnews is the leading source of tv news ! I even read somewhere that while the federal govt was banned from establishing a religion, the states were free to do so ! Can you imagine an official state religion libs , other than democratitis I mean.

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DKexpat

Jul-09-13 11:07 AM

Geeeez, how did I get dragged into this again?

Maybe you can help me with from the ancient texts: l-o-o-s-e s-c-r-e-w.

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Steiner

Jul-10-13 7:43 AM

Marcia, we did not hear from you about the alleged lack of terrorist attacks under obama. Cronig , did the founding fathers invent slavery ? private property is great. thats why the libs want to ban fracking. Your land is their land.

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