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How our area promotes poverty

July 26, 2013

Last month, some 150 people attended a panel discussion about the high rate of poverty in Chautauqua County at the Clarion Hotel, Marina and Conference Center in Dunkirk....

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judeye

Jul-26-13 10:16 AM

Note:Most of the people on "assistance" are not receiving cash. Rather they are on food stamps and Medicaid. Tthe majority, are working, many FULL time. Why are we having to supplement their wages? Why are the companies paying more and providing benefits? Oh yes, and many of these same companies are reporting record high profits.

More money for the greedy...at the expense of tax payers. Where is the outrage over this?

Where are the JOBS? The ones that do pay a decent wage that can support a family?

Maybe we need to ask Rep Reed why he is voting once again to repeal ACA and yet the JOBS bill cannot even come to the floor for debate.

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judeye

Jul-26-13 10:17 AM

Should read why are these companies NOT paying a decent wage with benefits

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Captain

Jul-26-13 10:57 AM

A weak labor mkt (an abundance of applicants) allows employers to offer less, while a strong labor mkt has the opposite effect. Companies won't pay more than they have to, especially when there are boatloads of ppl willing to work for less. Successful companies are measured by profits, not by empathy for its employees. It'd be great if everyone made a decent wage, but honestly judeye, do you really believe it's the employer's responsibility to rid society of welfare recipients?

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commentor

Jul-26-13 11:42 AM

This is not news. Many of us know this. It will never be fixed because of that mentality. Most of my voters are in poverty and if I take away from them I won't get elected. Unless a control board made of of individuals who have no ties or interests in this county come in and clean house it will only get worse. It will lead to many bankruptcies. Steiner before you place the blame on women take a look around the county and towns and villages are run by a majority of men.

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localresident

Jul-26-13 12:05 PM

Straight from Vito's mouth. 30% of my voters are poor so let's keep them that way!

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Captain

Jul-26-13 12:05 PM

I find it amusing that Goodell cites a disgraced Democratic lawmaker to explain what's wrong with our system.

Andy: can't you cite any current fellow GOP pols who believe the same thing that Lopez allegedly said?

Regardless of party, there ain't one elected rep who will commit political suicide by voting against a large # of his/her constituents, INCLUDING Andy Goodell.

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joew

Jul-26-13 12:59 PM

Dear Judeye-why has your friend Senator Reid not brought the dozen or so bills(job bills) to the floor of the Senate(passed by the House) for discussion/debate? Answer PLEASE????????????

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joew

Jul-26-13 1:00 PM

Dear Judeye-why has your friend Senator Reid not brought the dozen or so bills(job bills) to the floor of the Senate(passed by the House) for discussion/debate? Answer PLEASE????????????

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Captain

Jul-26-13 2:21 PM

A median household income of $41,000/yr is living in poverty? WOW! What skewed criteria (necessities) is being used to set income levels above this so-called poverty line? I realize that $41K per yr is NOT a huge sum of money, but IMO, it's far from poor. Must be items that were once considered to be non-essentials are now viewed as must haves.

If NYS is giving families $41K per/yr in benefits (excluding health ins), it's no wonder why people make it a career living on welfare.

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HVANCDY

Jul-26-13 2:54 PM

Why is it that everytime I google right wing rag I get the Dumbkirk Observer !

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Captain

Jul-26-13 3:58 PM

oops, my bad. No where in this article does it list what the poverty line is. $41K per/yr is the median family income (both spouses working) in Chat Co.

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judeye

Jul-26-13 5:31 PM

Thinking about what Rep Goodell said about Vito...and I am just not buying it. I am going to call Vito office on Monday to make sure. Sounds more like he was quoting Rush, or Beck, Coulter, etc. you know...the known make it up and say it is fact folks.

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joew

Jul-26-13 6:45 PM

If you mean the 30% Judeye save time and just look up the stats for those on public assistance in the State and then by County. While you're at it,take a look at the stats from the AD on how much food stamp issuance has increased since Obama has been President and how much poverty has increased and how much SS disability has increased since Obama has been President. As you always say Judeye,"look it up"!

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cruisin

Jul-26-13 7:22 PM

You mean states like Nevada has no poverty because they don't charge taxes? Really?? Just because you believe in the tax*****myth doesn't mean its true.

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USMCMOM

Jul-26-13 10:43 PM

All I have to say, is when my husband and I retire we are out of this state !

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Dcronlg

Jul-26-13 11:44 PM

John -- your comments and your beliefs are unsupported -- as a publisher of a lcoal newspaper, you shoudl better than to misrepresent the facts to your readers.

A recent analysis was conducted by the NYTimes as to economic opportunity in this country. The areas of the country with the worst economic opportunity, as in poverty? All the states with the lowest of taxes, and the state level leadership of the GOP.

Citizens of villages, towns, etc have a govt of them, by them and for them. If they elect representatives who vote to spend and increase taxes, its their right to do so -- and not your place to claim they are promoting poverty.

Your own subscriber numbers are down, your ad revenue is down, you page count is down -- with such dismal operating results, I scarcely believe you are in a position to discuss sound economic and fiscal policy.

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localresident

Jul-27-13 12:20 AM

DC, please post that link. I mean, I know it's so easy to believe with all of the new industry jockeying for position to locate in NY, and food industry going to war over connections to Lake Erie freshwater, and all of the new jobs created here in the last 10, 20, oh 40 years or so, but you know, just for giggles. Please tell me that job/industry growth in southern (I.e. "red" states) was severely overshadowedby those in northern states. I know that in the last 20 years, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Michelin, all built plants in the south, but that was just because NY was packed capacity, right? We had no old facilities here that could be repurposed or redeveloped?

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localresident

Jul-27-13 12:22 AM

And, everybody knows, paying not only a county tax, but also a village tax, town tax, etc. are Always better use of residents' monies than a single government tax, right? SMFH.

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Steiner

Jul-27-13 7:58 AM

the unlearned judeye keep saying the same thing. where are the jobs. Down south and west. She mentions jobs bills , the stimulus did not work. Judeye just does not get it. Liberals love poverty , yes they do ! Look at the inner cities, unemployment 50% and democratic. Judeye, dear liberal, please explain the BOOM in the west , due to fracking with less water than us. I do not see any great lakes in the west. Do you judeye ? the libs in DC wanted a living wage paid by large box retailers. One of themn threatened to stop construction and pull out. Judeye just thinks that if the democrat wills it it must be.judeye and croehnig, the most unlearned posters here.

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Steiner

Jul-27-13 8:05 AM

cronig, where is the lowest unemployment in the us. repub states. Where is the highest ? liberal states. Cronig believes , like judeye in govt solutions. Judeye sys the right wing makes stuff up. Nothing could be made up more or junk science than CO2 climate change. I have posted numerous posts on that and she ignores them all. Judeye does not understand science. Cronig, all newspapers are down, even the WSJ. Liberal papers more than the most. Cronig says the obvious but misses the why.Libs, tell us more of the failed stimulus, the jobless recovery, the ever widening income gap caused by the collapse of the middle class . Obama worsened this all and the libs say, more, more more. Dumb libs. Judeye even wants to control our thoughts by what we can see or read. Fairness to a liberal.

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joew

Jul-27-13 8:26 AM

Hard to believe Dcroaknig saying that subscriber numbers are down as well as ad revenue and page count is indicative of the Observers ability to manage the fiscal end of the business. If that were true,would that not indicate a decline in population,and therefore a corresponding decline in revenue for business which of course would mean a decline that each business dedicates to the advertising budget line? Of course there might be yet another reason,that being the inability of some people to read and more importantly actually understand what is is that they have read.

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Localone

Jul-27-13 10:20 AM

To quote Judeye, Note:Most of the people on "assistance" are not receiving cash. Rather they are on food stamps and Medicaid.

Judeye, food stamps are issued thru an EBT card, and they can use it as cash. In fact, last weekend I was at the beach in Angola and at Mickey Rats, they had a great big sticker on their ATM machine that said " use your EBT card here". Gives ya warm and fuzzy feeling knowing your hard earned tax dollars are being spent at a Bar. I know as a matter of fact there are single moms out there getting as much as $2800 a month on their EBT card, so If its just food stamps, who needs $2800 in groceries per month? Yet there are seniors who worked their entire lives getting less than half that in Social Security and struggling to make ends meet. The NY system ***** plain and simple and it'll never change just for the reason Andy Goodell mentioned.

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Captain

Jul-27-13 10:34 AM

joew: what do you expect from someone who believes that unyielding public ED costs is still the greatest value for the money by "claiming" it ONLY costs $1.50/hr per student?

I'm still waiting for a response from judeye. That's one of the benefits in posting comments. You're not forced to reply when presented with a valid rebuttal.

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225522

Jul-27-13 1:31 PM

It may be too late. Once the whirlpool starts it is almost impossible to stop. Only rescue is JOBS. That does not seem to happen on a large scale. Many people are doing quite well i.e. school supertendents and offic help in a shrinking school system. so there will always be some sort of a far western N.Y. However it will keep getting smaller as the whirlpool continues to gain speed.

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judeye

Jul-27-13 6:02 PM

Joel...of course food stamps are up since Obama was elected. You do remember what transpired just before he took office don't you? We are still in recovery...which would be much further along if only a JOBS bill could get passed. People ARE working is my point. They just are not making enough money to even feed their families. Working and still eligible for food stamps..Now I call that a disgrace.

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