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NRG will help keep the lights on

July 31, 2013

What will you do when the lights go out in the city of Dunkirk? What will you do when the major employers in the area can’t survive because their employees can no longer afford to pay their property......

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Christopher

Jul-31-13 6:06 AM

"NRG, formerly Niagara Mohawk, has been a symbol of stability to this area for more than 50 years;" And now Niagara Mohawk stabs them in the back.

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 8:06 AM

christopher, a classic liberal says, stab them in the back . Huh ? Hey vicki, there are many dumbacrats and envirowackos who want the plant shut down. They think, in error , that solar and wind can make up the the difference. In Europe, contrary to crumbigs postings, they are in real possibility of blackouts because of so much fickle green energy reliance. the sun and wind are not 24/7. The wackos say conservation is the answer. Hmm, one windmill is about 3 MW. A large sewage plant is the same. Imagine no wind, no juice at the plant ! Hold your waste goes out on the airwaves, we have no juice. the lib says, thats great, my waste is art anyways, i will preserve it. i pesonally want a repower to natural gas. Why ? So we can emit more greenhouse gas ! Yes ! Water is many times more powerful than co2 ever was or will. I want humidity , clouds. We all need water anyways,to make up for the end of water, due to fracking, which gave us the natural gas boom in the first place.

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 8:10 AM

The natural gas boom and the oil booom due to George Mitchells work on fracking. The libs conside him the most dangerous man on the planet. well almost as George passed away. imagine using water as a work medium ! Who would ever think of such a thing ? not the libs. they are one step away from the next enviro catastrophe. Thanks again George ! I love ya !

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Dcronlg

Jul-31-13 8:23 AM

What is amazing to me is that no one -- no one, esp from all the various state economic agencies -- has come our with a conclusive study validating all these "Taxpocalypse" scenarios. One would believe that some one, some neutral agency somewhere in this huge state, would come forward and say, "Yup, its going to be devastating...".

But so far, there are only 3 data points being constantly squabbled about, as if constant repetition were a strategy in someone's scare agenda...

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Dcronlg

Jul-31-13 8:26 AM

Steinerdzzz...tomorrow is Aug 1st -- another payday for you, where you receive more than you ever paid into it (AKA welfare...) courtesy of that wonderfully successful Democrat/liberal policy and program: Social Security.

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 8:56 AM

cronig, you gotta be stupid. Where do the liberal policies get their money ?From private enterprise. You cant say anything other than that tired old line. Liberal policies. wow, did ya ever read history ? Even the manhattan project , funded under a liberal was proposed by private minds. Your dumb liberal policies wrecked the guilded age. remember the great depression ? That was a great liberal policy. Private enterprise under attack then as now by obama. It would have been delightful to have the nuclear bomb tech in private hands.Wilson started it but fdr put the nails in the coffin. those dumb jealous liberals. You miss historical facts always . Learning disabled ?

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 9:00 AM

hey crumbig, did ya ever hear of detroit ? they taxed their way to prosperity right ? do you read anything. It amazes me that the obvious eludes you. tax our way to prosperity ? where has that worked. Cronig, you are learning challenged. Socialism does not work, it never has and never will. thats why wilson had to get the income tax. His ancestors were just slave owners. they could not think.Just like liberals now. dumber than ever.drive around our cities, large tracts of abandoned buildings, crime etc, the earmarks of liberalism and cronig wnats more. stupid for sure.

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 9:22 AM

I can hear crumbig now if he was in detroit. Liberal policies by coleman young are working ! Poletown eminent domain best thing ever for detroit. Riots are good too. All liberal failures and cronig is lookng at data points and claiming there is no evidence for high tax and high poverty. They dont get any more confused than cronig. thats what is happening to WNY and cronig is ok with that. amazing. the libs took what was working and wrecked it. Thats what they call success folks.Like green energy is 24/7. it aint .ask a european with huge electric bills and now possibilty of blackouts. and cronig is looking at data points. data points dont turn lights on. Cronig is confused.

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Steiner

Jul-31-13 9:29 AM

hey crumbig and judeye! Did ya see income gap between rich and poor widened under your beloved obama ! economic growth anemic, hey crumbig, data points for you. Socialism does not work. Posters, this is what the libs want for us. Tell your legislator you want fracking and a chemical plant or two also. where are our learned liberal posters !?

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DKexpat

Jul-31-13 9:58 AM

Some ascribe the start of hydraulic fracturing to George Mitchell. That is incorrect – it was Stanolind Oil and Floyd Farris’ work (later, JB Clark’s), with the first experiment in 1947 in Kansas. In 1949 a patent was issued to Howco (Halliburton).

Its origin, however, lies in the Bradford Sands of PA, where nitroglycerin was used to “shoot” wells. (A patent was issued in 1865 to Edward Roberts for his “exploding torpedo.”)

George Mitchell is more accurately known for pioneering directional drilling and incorporating horizontal fracking – driving the boom we see today in the Marcellus Shale around here and the Bakken Shale in ND.

Interestingly, last summer Mitchell told Forbes magazine he favored tougher federal regulation of fracking: “There’s no excuse not to get it right. There are good techniques to make it safe that should be followed properly.”

I met George at a conference in 1991, and he couldn’t have been more gracious. The "awl bidness" lost a good one...

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hadenough

Aug-01-13 10:04 AM

People. NRG does not produce electricity it only moves it from one place to another. For those of you who think NRG has been providing electricity to the city of Dunkirk think again. Our electricity has been coming from out of state plants for years. If NRG closes the lights will not go out. If businesses move out of the city it is not because of NRG it is because of high taxes, high water rates and high sewer rates. Perhaps had the city addressed the problems of the water and sewer plants years ago before the city was order to come into compliance things would not be as bad. as for taxes? Just wait. They are going up. The city has had no leadership for many years. Now it is starting to show and its a bit to late.

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Localone

Aug-02-13 7:12 AM

hadenough proves again that he knows NOTHING about electric generation and delivery.

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hadenough

Aug-02-13 9:23 AM

Hey localone. Wake up and smell the coffee. NRG has already shut down part of the plant. NRG has been saying for sometine that there is a possibility the plant would shut down. What did our local elected officials do? Nothing. What did the county do? Nothng. All the suggestions given at the meetings have been discussed by NRG, How much electricity is being produced at the plant? Converting an old plant to burn bio-fuel is not cost effective. Face facts. The only reason our leaders want the plant open is the money it pays the city. Dunkirk needs to wake up and start looking for ways to reduce spending. Not raise taxes.

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Steiner

Aug-02-13 4:31 PM

if one just follows the wires and the linemen, we arrive at the following conclusion. It looks like everything north of silver creek can be supplied by huntley tonawanda plant. Power from springville can be available too.Most of dunkirks wires, the big ones, with the 5 foot insulators, go north along the 90. They terminate somewhere NE of clarence or so. Unless there are some invisible wires somewhere, the only areas i see with a problem are silver creek south to PA. If anyone knows anything else, lets hear it.

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Localone

Aug-02-13 6:32 PM

hadenough says: NRG does not produce electricity it only moves it from one place to another. For those of you who think NRG has been providing electricity to the city of Dunkirk think again. Our electricity has been coming from out of state plants for years

This statement is 100% percent inaccurate in every way, 30 years in the industry makes me somewhat knowledgeable on the subject.

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Localone

Aug-02-13 6:43 PM

Steiner, Dunkirk's lines go to Gardenville(West Seneca), Hartfield, Falconer and Erie. Up till Septmeber of last year when Dunkirk 3 & 4 were shut down, line 68 to erie always had about 100 megawatts heading INTO pa. The other gardenvile, falconer and hartfield lines feed a NYISO Zone A & B loop which circles vitually all of western NY. If y'all think the Huntley pant in Tonawanda is going to pick up the slack, its a sister plant to Dunkirk, with virtually identical boilers/turbines as the already mothballed Dunkirk 3&4. Knowing whats happened in Dunkirk already from a profitability standpoint, you dont need to be a genius to see where the Huntley plant is headed, tick tock.

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