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Two societies in America

July 31, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: The recent George Zimmerman trial in Florida points to the fact that in parts of this country there are two societies; one black, one white....

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Christopher

Jul-31-13 6:03 AM

Good and true observations Mr. Beyer. Case in point: in Florida where Trayvon was killed, a black woman who fired WARNING shots at her abusive husband was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Think about that. And George Zimmerman is getting on with his life, both in the same state. I rest my case.

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judeye

Jul-31-13 8:43 AM

Excellent points in this article. Our justice system is influenced not only by race, but also by income. The case cited is an outrage. She fires a warning shot to fend off her known very violent partner and she ends up getting 20 years. Wonder if it had anything to with the DA prosecuting this case herself, while asst da prosecuted Zimmerman?

If anyone doubts racism in our criminal justice system just look up some facts. Like although Afro Americans make up only 13% of the population, and only 14% of drug users, they are 37% of the people arrested for drugs and 56% of the people in state prisons for drug offenses.

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localresident

Jul-31-13 11:00 AM

1. The police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop following, only that he didn't have to.

2. No mention of Zimmerman getting jumped by Trayvon? That's quite an omission, and a very big part of the case you're leaving out.

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CKP5600

Jul-31-13 12:10 PM

The other thing that everyone omits when they compare the 2 cases is that the warning shot she fired through the wall, her child was on the other side of the wall and she was found guilt because of that.

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American

Jul-31-13 12:16 PM

The reason for the 20 year sentence is it is mandatory " A jury found her guilty as charged: aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Because she fired a gun while committing a felony, Florida's mandatory-minimum gun law dictated the 20-year sentence." The judge had no option under the law to reduce it.

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American

Jul-31-13 12:19 PM

Some more of the rest of the story "A judge threw out Alexander's "stand your ground" self-defense claim, noting that she could have run out of the house to escape her husband but instead got the gun and went back inside. Alexander rejected a plea deal that would have resulted in a three-year prison sentence and chose to go to trial"

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American

Jul-31-13 12:21 PM

"In central Florida, a white man named Orville Lee Wollard is nearly two years into a 20-year sentence for firing his gun inside his house to scare his daughter's boyfriend." Get over Zimmerman did nothing but defend himself and was acquitted. Just another writer trying to stir the racism pot.

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American

Jul-31-13 12:27 PM

CKP5600 a slight correction to your comment. The shot hit the wall and ricocheted into the ceiling. Article doesn't mention the baby being on the premises as she was living elsewhere at the time. But her two sons were standing next to the father when she fired the shot. She put her two sons in jeopardy and had left the house to go get her gun and return to fire the shot. That is why self defense is a lie in this case. There was no stand your ground case here due to her leaving and returning.

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judeye

Jul-31-13 1:11 PM

It always makes me wonder when people disagree when I post FACTS. Are they disagreeing with the facts? Or are they disagreeing with what the facts indicate, in this case racism in our criminal justice system.

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judeye

Jul-31-13 1:14 PM

American...under Stand your own ground...you are under no obligation to retreat, even if it means a life could be saved. Under this theory I think she had every right to go get a gun to protect herself. How can this be different than the person who chased down the person trying to steal the car?

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American

Jul-31-13 1:28 PM

Judeye, your right if she had stood her ground and used a gun then she probably would have been cleared. BUT she left to go get a gun and came back therefore she is no longer "standing her ground". Though you were smart enough to see the difference. When you have left and then return with a weapon you are now the aggressor.

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American

Jul-31-13 1:30 PM

Where did you post any facts. Where is the proof to what you claim? BTW here is a link to one of many articles telling the whole story not just your version. ht tp://bigstory.ap.o rg/content/woman-gets-20-years-firing-warning-shot

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localresident

Jul-31-13 1:31 PM

Judeye, that wasn't racism in the case for the 20-year sentence. It was the mom's stupidity (if, as American claims, she left and then went back inside). If the sons were in no danger, then it was her stupidity that got her 20 years, not racism. She took steps that were more than just protection, they were premeditation in a manslaughter sense. She didn't plan it days beforehand, but rather in an escalated situation and at a moment's notice.

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PR24601

Jul-31-13 1:37 PM

Warren must be one of those know-it-all liberals. Why wasn't he on the witness stand? I mean, shoot, he tells the story like he was actually there. Come to think of it Warren, where exactly were you on that night Trayvon was killed?

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PR24601

Jul-31-13 1:44 PM

American.. judeye is not smart. That's why she can't see the difference. And Christopher - well we know where that bleeding heart libtard stands on everything. Stirring the pot further with two cases that are polar opposites when you actually look at the FACTS.

You know, everyone seems to "just know" that Zimmerman followed Trayvon and committed cold-blooded murder. Really? That's a lot of inferring going on for a case where the actual FACTS are few and far between. Has anyone stopped to consider that's probably not even remotely what happened? They got into a fistfight for crying out loud. You libdorks make it sounds like Zimmerman had him on the run and as he climbed over a fence to escape he still shot him 100x.

And judeye - you cite figures about who's incracerated, how about you cite the percentage of black committing the crimes?

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PhilJulian

Jul-31-13 4:15 PM

Without getting into the details of the Martin/Zimmerman issue, I have to say that I am sick and tired of whites being blamed for the plight of the black community. Over 60% of the jail population is black. Do you really believe that is the white man's fault? Over 73% of black babies are born out of wedlock. Is that the white man's fault? The black community has been handed everything from free housing, free food, free utilities and and quota systems that give blacks preference in jobs and entrance to colleges. All across America we are seeing more black mayors, governors and even a black president. Some of the most successful and wealthy people in America are black. So, where is the discrimination? I personally think it is a giant hoax intended to promote the careers of activists(con't)

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PhilJulian

Jul-31-13 4:19 PM

(con't) like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Of course discrimination may also be a convenient excuse for the failure of a race to succeed and advance in spite of all the advantages they have been handed. If you want to see the truth about race problems simply log in to the web sites reflecting the opinions of black commedian Bill Cosby. He explains it better than I ever could.

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American

Jul-31-13 6:40 PM

Poor judeye and Christopher trying to compare apples to oak trees. You can't do it because they are not the same. And neither are these two cases. Is it that hard to tell the difference. Why do you believe they are the same? Show me(us) what makes these two cases alike? Ok a gun was involved but it ends there. The woman was dumb as a rock for going back in the house and dumber still for thinking she could get off. Should have taken the plea bargain.

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DKexpat

Jul-31-13 7:23 PM

Times will change: We’re forgetting that in 20-25 years the two societies will be Hispanic (in the majority) and white (in the minority), with anybody else placing a distant third. (Hispanics already outnumber blacks according to US Census data.)

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Marcia

Jul-31-13 7:54 PM

Just one example of racism in our judicial system. every study conducted states that blacks and white use marijuana at roughly the same rate. But blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested for this.

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Marcia

Jul-31-13 7:54 PM

You all complain about black on black crime. But almost 85% of whites murder victims are killed by other whites. Why aren't we talking about that? This just shows that most people are killed by those they know.

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Marcia

Jul-31-13 8:00 PM

Did you hear about the whites kids who rioted in Huntington beach, CA after a surfing competition? Right, because it hardly makes the news when white kids riot. People ran through the streets, smashed vehicles, pushed over porta-potties and smashed shop windows. Should we all be afraid of white kids now and call for them all to be jail?

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Marcia

Jul-31-13 8:04 PM

youtube dot com/watch?v=R_oa_VEnNlA

Great video.

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American

Jul-31-13 8:29 PM

It figures anything by Chris Hayes and the America haters at msnbc she would think are great. She gets her news from the liars of the left it seems Explains a lot doesn't it. I looked at some of the videos from those "riots". It wasn't only white kids but blacks and browns also. "Eight arrests were made for disturbing the peace, unlawful assembly and inciting a riot". More arrests are pending. You are racist aren't you Marcia.

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American

Jul-31-13 9:23 PM

Also that riot wasn't even close to being as bad as the ones OWS started. Remember people died from those ones. Pick and chose all you want but it just shows your racism even more.

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