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Sweating out wait for energy policy

August 1, 2013

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rdnewt

Aug-01-13 6:30 AM

Except that these "Green" technologies are still a costly pipe dream that only are able to supplement existing technology. When the wind stops blowing, and the sun goes down, we still need to use the old tried and true methods. As of right now, the cost of erecting a windmill capable of producing enough power to actually run anything, is cost prohibitive to blindly throw money at it, and it will NEVER during it's lifespan be able to produce enough to pay for itself. Meanwhile, government money is used by private companies to erect these windmills or solar panels, then they turn around and sell the carbon credits to coal burning power plants, so that they can continue to burn the coal. Then that company that built the windmill can sell the equipment and profit off of the government investment, and use part of the government funds to donate back to the politicians. It is a criminal game these supposed do-gooders are playing, with Algore being at the top of the money pile.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 7:54 AM

het renee, you , like most co2 fearers , just do not understand any science. CO2 does not absorb heat. This proven by perkin elmer infra red spectroscopy tests. Water and methane do, but not CO2. So the whole fear of carbon is irrational, it is mental illness.Did ya ever hear that if an argument is based on a false premise, the whole argument collapses ? It just did Renee. Other printed and tv media say temps not rising in the past 15 years. No fooling. They are blaming the oceans, water as a heat sink. They have to say something as co2 is natural, is green. The mind of a liberal thinks the other way. So renee, try and read some actual science, talk to an analytical chemist. You will find co2 does not, has not, and will not absorb the heat the climate change people say it does. Fact renee. So let the guys,like geore mitchell, father of hydro fracking. You gals do the fretting and the knitting. The way itshould be.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:01 AM

Hey renee, you have to explain then, the BOOM out west due to hydraulic fracking and the lack of the end of the world or at least the western US. You have to explain the fear the saudis have over North american fracking. You have to explain renee, the fact that europe is in danger of blackouts as solar and wind are fickle. They are also expensive. Renee, your lungs are fracked to increase surface area and gas exchange. The circulatory system is fracked, the capillaries. Along writes renee, fracking is bad! Try and learn something renee. The last time we had a gal like renee, it was carrie nation, fighting the evils of another carbon compound , ethanol. what a mess that gal made. The feminine mistake in action.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:09 AM

An energy policy renee? no govt policy gave us anything but money wasters. We did not have a govt policy for electricity, oil, radio, autos and electronics and they all happened quite nicely. All invented by men by the ways. Renee, you need to explain this too.Renee, do you actually know any science, history or just conversion disorder. Physiscs teaches that the world we live in arises from an unobservable world. everything we take for granted in the world works this way. Read the two slit experiment. read the heated discussions between einstein and bohr over this. Renee writes , we need a policy and I know no science.we need to hear from you unlearned liberal parroters. science always eluded you. Dont disappoint steiner now OK ?

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:39 AM

nothing could be grander or simpler than the alternating current system invented by tesla. Thats why the libs seek to wreck it. Our whole way of life is based on this. See the battle of the currents between tesla and edison. Facts, dk, data points for crumbig.Along arrive the mentally ill libs and say hold on! we are going to replace that with an intermittent system ! it is better they claim as the libs always have some mental illness just beneath the surface ready to surface.like a ww2 sub, because of lack of air. the libs lack clear thinking abilities. Now dk, you tell renee, to awaken her female mental abilities. I say, i see none in her article. Analytical chemists decide court cases. the libs ignore them here. not one lib i told the analytical story to ever heard of it. the limited mind of a liberal.Yet the govt itself, private industry, colleges etc have invested fortunes in the equipment. It is a wonderful tool.

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USMCVET

Aug-01-13 8:42 AM

A combination of all methods of energy are what Renee seems to be saying. Steiner and rdnewt, you both need to stop the ranting. Of course Steiner can't help himself.

My buddy, right here in Chautauqua County has solar panels on his pole barn and he only pays about $12 a month to Grid for power. It even works when it's not sunny...imagine that!

Great article, as usual. This GAL knows how to write. Thank you Gravelle!

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:44 AM

hey renee, answer me this, one windmill 3 mega watt. Dunkirk plant 580 megawatt. 10 acres of land of solar panels to equal one mega watt.how many acres of windmills and solar panels which are not 24/7 will we need ?windmills operate 30% of time. how many dead birds ? try and think before you write something renee! You prove over and over to me , dk, take note activist women are a hazard to society and life. Like Ida Tarbell was. gets std oil broken up and it quadruples in value. Those ignorant gals.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:46 AM

hey vet, renee knows no science. i say again, but the dullards keep missing it. CO2 does not absorb heat. This proven over and over . Stop ranting ? The libs will destroy western civ becuz the allegedly care. renee knows nothing, just parrots, like the vet poster.

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judeye

Aug-01-13 8:55 AM

Rdnewt..Have you seen all the wind farms in the West? They are producing energy and making profits for the companies who own them

Energy created by solar and wind can be stored for times when the sun is not shining and the wind not blowing. Ask ny friends who live at the point..and actually generate enough energy from their solar panels not only for their own use, but to sell for a profit. Or ask my friends who live in ARkwright and are COMPLETELY off the grid!

Yes we can do it...

Not only CAN we do it...but we. MUST..the cost of inaction is just too great.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 8:56 AM

hey learned vet, does the solar sytem work at night especially winter nights when they are long ? Does the wind blow 24/7 ? What part of this dont ya get ? You do not understand analytical science, noone here does. Thats why my co2 does not absorb heat is ignored over and over. Tell me where i am wrong oh unlearned vet. Libs, I am awaiting your unlearned replies. We have 60 years of science, thanks to perkin elmer. You have make believe, just make believe. dk, cronig, judeye, where are you ?

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:00 AM

judeye, you cannot store electricity except in batteries. They are inefficient and or costly. Off the grid, thats a joke. How do they heat wood ? Judeye, you ignore the scientific fact that CO2 does not absorb heat. Why do you do that ? because it sinks your theory. Judeye, climate change is based on a false premise. Hey judeye, you have a false premise, junk science and onkly fear to sell. we should listen to you ? Why ? Why do ignore facts about windmills and solar panels. Cant you think ? tell us judeye.

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judeye

Aug-01-13 9:11 AM

Excellent article Renee. On a topic that we can no longer ignore.

Wonder if anyone who has concerns regarding the cost of renewable energy have considered the very real costs of doing nothing. The cost to rebuild after storms like Sandy and the rash of huge tornadoes that hit the Midwest this spring. This is not even to mention the cost of human life.

The time for action was yesterday. But let us pray it is too late today.

No more time to talk with flat earth folk. Time for IMMEDIATE action .

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Dcronlg

Aug-01-13 9:12 AM

Steinerdzzz, you are a ranting, foaming-at-mouth, spittle flecked idiot, as it you're clueless.

It's a proven fact, throughout the decades in field of physics that 1)CO2 is a greenhouse gas as it is transparent to visible light but absorbs strongly in the infrared & near-infrared wavelengths of light, 2) slightly more than half of the energy from the Sun arrives on Earth in the form of infrared radiation, heating the Earth.

Be a scientist, stick you head under an operating infrared light & tell us your 3rd degree burns weren't caused by infrared. Then tells us all about CO2.

Not agreeing with Galileo doesn't mean the planets aren't revolving around the sun. Youre an idiot as is anyone who agrees w/ you.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:15 AM

hey learned judeye, we dont have to do anything. You unlearned posters must refute this. Infra red spectroscopy by perkin elmer shows co2 does not absorb heat. Every lib I told this too never heard of it.Water and methane do, but not CO2. judeye, you are trying to cram your religion of doom down our throats. This cannot be allowed to happen.Now posters, when you knock out the premise of the argument, the whole thing collapses. What part of that dont ya get judeye, vet , renee, and all the other libs here. You have consistently ignored this key fact WHY? Dont understand it ?

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:22 AM

cronig, what part of my repeated infra red comments dont you get. For the UNPTEENTH time, co2 does not absorb heat.All you do is post flowery language. Perkin elmer sinks the co2 theory on the spot. This is repeatable, the early co2 heat theory is nonsense. All of organic science will function on perkin elmer. Cronig you betray your ignorance again and again. cronig, you and the other posters here cannot refute perkin elmer.If you knew nothing at all you would notice that even a thin layer of clouds keeps the temperature up. . The desert with low humidity has wide temperature swings. Co2 does not keep a desert warm at night. Even some libs dont like natural gas because it emits more water when burned . Water holds heat in huge quantities. maybe cronig and the libs never noticed that, saving the planet with govt programs and all that.

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judeye

Aug-01-13 9:27 AM

Steiner...and anyone else who belongs to flat earth thinking...have no time trying to show you science. Time is for action.

In the words of Dylan "Your old road is rapidly agin'....Please get out of the new one If you can't lend a hand "

Times they have changed.

Have you read latest report on arctic ice melting? The amount of methane gas that will be released is "not only bad news for the polar bear....It's a global economic time bomb". With a price tag of about 60 million dollars..about the same size as the ENTIRE global economy. Christian Monitor July 24 2013

Anyone still think alternative energy is too expensive?

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:28 AM

hey cronig you sunk yourself. perkin elmer shows co2 does not trap heat.It is transparent to it. water aint, neither is methane . For organics, it is called C-H stretching,. Science facts, data points for you cronig Cronig do you know what perkin elmer infra red spectroscopy is ? Did ya notice a few weeks back when the dew points were in the 70's that the temperature did not drop over night much ?when dew points are low, temps will fall. this sinks cronig on the spot. Cronig sunk himslef and is too ignorant to realize it. Cronig you need data points.I have run at least 15000 infra red scans in my carreer. I bet you have run not a one.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:33 AM

judeye, you keep ignoring basic science. You are the flat earther.I have done basic science. You bought my stuff in the store. What part of perkin elmer dont ya get ? That is science judeye. repeatable by hundreds of millions. all organic labs have one.Judeye you must answer how wind at 30% availabilty or solar can replace hydrocarbons. Judeye oh unlearned one, natural gas is thought to be renewable now. Judeye, plain and simple you know know science at all. europe in danger of blackouts and judseye, simple minded is crying for green energy. Judeye, you like carrie nation will wreck society. you dont know a thing.judeye quotes a singer , how scientific, like dk. Judeye you are the flat earther not me.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 9:42 AM

hey judeye and cronig, you ignore quantum physiscs too, judeye quotes a singer, I quote bohr and einstein., The world we live arises from a heisenberg uncertainty world.This would include the weather. judeye, you dont understand basic science so like a busy body you say we gotta do something. Judeye the flat earther, the non scientist, the parrot. She is smarter than bohr or einstein.I guess you never heard of these two scientists and the huge paradigm shifting thing they did with physiscs. judeye is in the stone age, like cronig. tell me where i am wrong judeye. Learned judeye, tell the inventor of 9 figures in chemical sales, the inventor of the steinertron that i am flat earther.

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Dcronlg

Aug-01-13 10:00 AM

Steinerdzzz...Perkins Elmer? The company which builds medical screening equipment?? And medical screening equipment is directly associated, highly integral which global atmospheric sciences...how? Prenatal screening tells us about climate change....how?

I was wrong, you did do an infrared scan on your head already.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 10:15 AM

cronig you are out and out wrong. Perkin elmer infra red spectroscopy. millions of compounds cataloged by their infra red footprint. it has nothing to do with medicine. Why are you so stupid ? Infra red scanning is standard in every organic lab I ever knew, except the liberals here. Water absorbs, co2 does not. Cronig you are a fool.What part of this do you and judeye keep missing ? Infra red has been proven MILLIONS of times . Anu good analytical chemist can id compounds from an infra red scan.I am quoting science and you and judeye are in the stoine age.

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eastwood

Aug-01-13 10:21 AM

people get educated: climatedepot dot com junkscience dot com

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 10:22 AM

especially for crumbig and judeye. My machines can make energized hydrocarbons. the gas mileage will increase by 25%.One gallon will energize 50 gallons. All tested by analytical labs and driving. explain that one crumbig. Dk is in fits about it, keeps posting quotes. i have directly manipulated combustion, heretofore thought to be impoossible. So unlearned cronig, if i am a flatearther and unlearned and need to scan my head you are in the stone age. Judeye, please talk to renee and cronig and explain the energized fuels. It is of a type not seen since the times of zoroaster as far as i can tell. Cronig your junk science is junk pure and simple.Judeye, do you have any singer quotes ? i am a flat earther ? Can you do this learned judeye , cronig ? Let me know.

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robert

Aug-01-13 12:09 PM

great comments renee, unfortunately any comment that talks about global warming brings all the nut case anti science knucklheads out of their burrows. All you have to do is read the first sentence of any "steiner" comment to know what i am talking about. How the radical conservatives can continue to deny the findings of >20,000 scientists is beyond me. They sincerely believe that as long as it still snows at least once a year there is no warming. they have had their heads filled by notable scientists Bill Oreilly, Sean Hannity and John Boehner with the nonsense that it just doesnt' exist. You will never convince these idiots renee. When the average temp is 90 all year long in Fredonia they will simply say "its a trend" nice try but your effort is wasted on these fools.

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Steiner

Aug-01-13 1:33 PM

hey robert, you dont understand science like renee. Do you know what infra red spectroscopy is ? I did not invent it. Analytical chemists use heat signature to identify chemicals. cronig, thinks it is just for neotal stuff. he thereby mocks all the analytical chemists around. That is all libs can do as they know nothing. tell any one of them you want an IR and they know. Cronig, renee and robert obviously dont. Ignorance is supreme among the democrats.robert, you never noticed the effect humididty has in the air ? Or that water vapor is present many times the level of CO2 even in deserts. It is robert who is ignorant here. robert tell steiner, the guy with 9 figure sales, 1000's of lives saved and you ate my concoctions how stupid i am. It is the other way around robert.you and the libs are ignorant. Thousands of scientists supported eugenics too, till hitler took it to the logical end he did. fact robert.they were embarrassed

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