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Scores: New standard will take time

August 15, 2013

There was nothing impressive about last week’s elementary and middle school scores for English Language Arts and mathematics in our regio....

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Steiner

Aug-15-13 8:26 AM

mr editor, we have to remember the primary objectibve of schools is not to educate children. They are retirement homes for those wonderful people, teachers. If the kids get some education, thats just a sideline excercise. If choice really mattered to our sacred leaders, we would have choice in schools, public or private paid by a voucher. But, following the money leads to the democratic teachers union lavishing huge sums of money on democrats. This keeps most every one poorly educated. Look at the inner cities for proof. These new standards will ensure lavish spending in education as childen are the dumbacrats future. any disagreement will be looked as anti education, children hating, etc. All sorts of names will spew from the libs.

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PR24601

Aug-15-13 8:55 AM

Education starts at home. Show me a solid family, with high characters, that preaches values, and gets involved in educating their child, and I'll show you a kid that's going to succeed. Simple as that.

Stop relying on the government, the public schools, and standardized tests from an ivory tower to determine if your child gets a good education! Get involved yourselves and become the catalyst for his/her success.

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Steiner

Aug-15-13 9:17 AM

hey pr, what you describe went out with the 60's. Your method will work, but the libs hate it.a strong family ? LOL to the libs, same sex , unwed mothers, dead fathers, all promoted by liberals. And look what they have wrought ?

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badnewsbear

Aug-15-13 9:40 AM

Steiner and I seem to agree on most things, but not this one. The common core and the results of these new tests cannot be hung on the teachers. This is being developed by government bureaucrats that have little to no actual classroom knowledge. The teachers do not want, or agree, with common core and educated parents do not want it either. Also, I have several friends and family members that are teachers and they are completely fed up with their union and would choose not to belong. There is also a movement in some schools against voting the "Union Line", which is generally Democrat. They have seen the results of these mindless government programs and now understand that the Democrats plan is a recipe for disaster. As with any union, the union itself is strictly out to save itself and the actual benefit of its members is secondary. There is nothing wrong with our public schools that could not be fixed by getting the government out of the schools.

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commentor

Aug-15-13 9:55 AM

If you have money you can send your child to a private school. All schools should be private and parents pay tuition to send your kids there. Do away with all public schools and school taxes and govt control of schools.

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Dcronlg

Aug-15-13 10:43 AM

Public education is the hallmark of our democratic ideals and is what contributed to make this country great -- period. All public schools are overseen by democratically elected Bd of Eds, comprised of parents or local citizens who decided to serve because of the strategic importance of public education to our country and society.

Public schools a failure?? Colleges and graduate school enrollments at their highest levels ever.

Public education works when parents and educational professionals closely team together to constantly oversee & improve, when necessary, to meet the ever-changing challenges our a global economy.

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Dcronlg

Aug-15-13 10:48 AM

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And get government and bureaucrats out of our education system?? Really? If you examine our largest and serious competitors in the global economy, then you will find that their governments are highly, highly, highly involved in their educational systems.

Across the globe, there are better public educational models for us to examine and possibly adopt. For one, stop with the "summers off" nonsense. And another, check the South Korean model -- their culture "shames" parents who are not totally immersed in their children's academic successes.

As Churchill said "Americans will always do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities." the same is true for our public educational system. We are not there yet.

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badnewsbear

Aug-15-13 11:52 AM

DC, you obviously have no direct insight into schools or their inner workings or you would understand that the decline in school success and the boatloads of wasted money are a direct result of government "intervention". As for "Colleges and graduate school enrollments at their highest levels ever", that's not necessarily a good thing. Again, we've created a culture where "everyone needs a college degree" and what we've ended up with is thousands of graduates that have mountains of debt that they cannot pay back and still don't have skills to get a job. Not all jobs need a college education. We need to come back to reality. We'd be better off promoting the value of trade schools as a legitimate route for those that don't feel they are "cut out for" college. Instead their looked at as second class. This is also part of the problem why young people think they are too good for entry level jobs and must be paid a "living wage" for n

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PhilJulian

Aug-15-13 1:10 PM

The poor results from these tests were not just our city and county. It was a problem throughout the state and I blame the State Education Department. I think it's clear that the students were not well prepared to take the exams but we have to question whether teachers were provided with the proper curriculum from the state. Someone dropped the ball and I think it was probably state ed.

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225522

Aug-15-13 2:50 PM

NY open for business.

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Christopher

Aug-15-13 5:04 PM

Unions do NOT create curriculums. Bureaucrats and non-teaching government "Educators" do. Those people are NOT Union members, they're generally political hacks listening to everyone and anyone BUT teachers. Add lawyers and lousy parenting into the mix, and a plethora of other social upheavals from "the good old days" to now, and you have a recipe for disaster. I'd bet any average student of say 50 years ago could pass these tests with ease, at least relative to "core work", the basic 3 R's, as they say. Schools didn't decline overnight. Democrats and Republicans have been at the helm, and the issue isn't just New York.

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Marcia

Aug-15-13 5:59 PM

Christopher, as you often do, you hit the nail on the head. We do not need to make every issue democrat vs republican. One of the main problems is with the NYS Board of Regents. When they decreed that the only acceptable outcome is for every child to attend college they made a major mistake. These kids who do not belong in college, nor want to go, are pushed by their schools to attend, and drop out after a semester. Then they are stuck with the student loan.All the while, the dropout rate sky rockets because the schools encourage kids to leave, a drop out is better than a failure. They have dismantled vocational education, and we can't find young people to work the trades,which often cannot be outsourced, such as construction jobs. Instead of evaluating schools based on how many graduates attend college they should do a survey years later and find out how many graduate from college. Not a lot. We need to change the way we think of education at the top.

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concerned

Aug-16-13 7:38 AM

At this time industry is having a difficult time finding skilled tradesmen the everyday labors are a dime a dozen. There is a huge gap here and no one is hurrying to fill it! These are good paying jobs.

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PR24601

Aug-16-13 8:56 AM

Wow, I agree with Marcia on something. Absolutely they have created a culture that says: if you don't attend college, then you are a failure.

Not true. Where would we be without auto mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, electricians? For many students, trade/vocational school is the way to go. However, they attached a stigma to attending BOCES. It became an insult in it's own right to call someone a "BOCE".

The folks in the ivory tower and the school admins that push the "college or else" idea ought to be horsewhipped and sent to the fields. It's a tremendous disservice to a large percentage of children.

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Steiner

Aug-16-13 8:58 AM

marcia and christopher, unlearned like cronig.We hear about globalization and change for private enterprise, but never, never for our wonderful govt emloyees. Those democrats, like the teachers union fight all change. Govt the answer cronig, you gotta be kidding on that one .I never hear from you learned libs why we cannot have choice in schools, get the govt out of it . Why is that ? follow the money, it leads to union members. Education and especially higher education is a liberal stronghold, people are dumber than ever and cronig wants mmore. Prices of higfer education rise faster than inflation and cronig is praising it. It dont get any better than this for stupidity.

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Steiner

Aug-16-13 9:06 AM

The libs have been cracking up since the 60's using public education as their media. We can have all the education you want as long as it is public says cronig. Funny how private enterprise invented the world cronig takes for granted. quote Churchill ? the guy who almost lost UK to the nazis ? The govt who gave the jet engine to the Russians? If public education so good why are the city folk so bad ? I like Bill cosby says am laughing every day at the suport of public schools and their dismal failure , escalating costs, low graduation rate, etc. A real jewel to cronig, a failure to anyone who can think.

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Steiner

Aug-16-13 9:17 AM

hey cronig, churchill told frank Whittle , UK inventor if the jet that the piston engine would be just fine.The nazis were working on the jet at the same time.Those govt people ,so smart, eh cronig ? Whittle told by learned govt agencies that no metal could take the heat of the jet .More stupidity for cronig. Now the libs, cracked up as usual, forbid creation science in schools. There is one god but govt.How is it that energized gas, my great private invention, scorned and des***** by libs as it arises from ancient religous texts was a private thing, a steiner specialty.So much for public education cronig. What other wonders would there be if the libs and their beloved govt and unions gave up control of our minds.allow creation science like steiner in the schools. Children are their future and dumbacrats are what they want to make. I dont want to be a dumbacrat.

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PhilJulian

Aug-16-13 9:25 AM

The State Eucation Department may be a big part of the education problem but ther are other significant factors and one of them is the brakdown of the family unit. Of the white population 29% of children are born out of wedlock. The percent rises to 53% with hispanics and a staggering 72% with blacks. Imagine being the child of a mother working three jobs to make ends meet. What chance does that child have of a normal life with ample food, housing and a focus on learning? As a society we have accepted the decline in basic values. Couples are expected to live together and even have children before getting married. Maybe it has to do with the freedom that many people desire but there is a price to pay for declining morals and values and our children are paying the price. Maybe our ancestors had it right with two parent families and marriage between a man an a woman.

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Steiner

Aug-17-13 8:35 AM

phil, who exactly was and is behind those staggering numbers of out of wedlock births ? Why the beloved liberals, the party adored by cronig and judeye. Same sex marriage will make for more emotionaly disturbed children. Emotional disturbance is the great marker of the democratic party.There is a war on fathers, but you would never know it. The war on women is but a trifle to the libs war on fathers. It is time to do what some learned city folk say. Laugh in derison at the democrats who voted this way of life and then ask for help to overcome poverty, crime, no social skills, graduation rates from HS in the 20% range,etc All of this from the libs. The libs call gun owners crazy. They have to deflect the argument in some way dont they ?

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Kristopher

Aug-17-13 9:53 AM

Common Core is a big, Big, BIG problem that MUST be stopped!!! It is all about the collective, and not the individual. It collects WAY TOO MUCH information about students, and puts them into catagories, and groups, instead of encouraging them to "chase their dreams". It also restricts the teacher's ability to use common sense when trying to help the students be the most they can be. Educate yourself on Common Core and you will see what a disaster it will be.

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PhilJulian

Aug-17-13 9:23 PM

STEINER - I agree with much of what you have said but I am not about to let conservatives off the hook. George Bush did more damage to this country than any other president in my lifetime. He will go down in history as the dumbest man to ever occupy the White House and his advisors were neo-cons who were just waiting for an idiot to control the country. Ron Paul was the only candidate telling the truth in 2012.

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