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County Home: Still no union proposal

August 19, 2013

CSEA workers, the union that endorsed Democrat Ron Johnson for county executive last week, have yet to prove they are serious about concessions to keep the Chautauqua County Home under government......

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Aug-21-13 11:13 AM

Judeye.....per usual you can't read. I was referring to the management of the Home not the physical condition. I don't know why everyone's knickers are in a knot the Home will NOT be sold. Buyers or no buyers they will not vote to sell.

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Aug-21-13 7:48 AM

Judeye you answered the question with this "I also noted in the report that they were reporting losses BEFORE the IGT funds". We should sell the home simply because Government does not belong in commerce arena. I wish you would get off the baloney that Granny will get pushed off the cliff in her wheelchair stuff. Ain't gonna happen.

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Aug-21-13 7:31 AM

DK...You ask

Is there a moral imperative to help our seniors at the time they need it most?

For me, it is a clear and loud YES.

Especially when our County has a six million dollar surplus, per County Executive. Especially when the CGR report states the County Home operates at a surplus of money. Especially when selling this HOME would not reduce our taxes one single dime.

For those who disagree, please post what service you think is more important use of your taxes than caring for our most vulnerable citizens in their time of need.

There are many things more important than money. Caring for others in their time of need is, for me, clearly is one of them.

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Aug-21-13 7:24 AM

JoeW..I will look at the budget. Right now the site is down for some reason. I did find this though..

"Officials in Chautauqua County are reporting an almost $6 million surplus for 2012 after going into the year expecting a multi-million dollar budget deficit"

I have also reviewed the CCH history of fund balance from 2002 - 2012. Although far from an accountant...I did note surplus in several years reported even in this report (2006,2008 and 2009) My question would be why losses in some years..and major surplus in other? So much surplus that years ago the HOME actually lent money to the County.

I also noted in the report that they were reporting losses BEFORE the IGT funds. Do our school districts do the same? Show budgets without state and federal funds? Any other department in our County report budgets that exclude state and federal money?

With this huge surplus of County money, why are we even discussing selling the HOME?

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Aug-20-13 4:16 PM

Bulldog, one issue, one situation, the County Home. Should there be changes to various labor contracts to fit modern times, probably, but that's a lot easier sell when the people getting their pay and benefits cut are watching those demanding that getting HUFE bonuses and such, and no cuts at all. This goes to public employment as well, with the actual "worker bees" staffed at bare minimums while upper level Management/Supervisor positions are doubled. This doesn't even include the political hacks appointed to useless positions they are totally unqualified for in Albany as rewards for their political contributions. And that my friends is the rub, as they say. As for Phil, he's a two-faced hypocrites when it comes to Unions, and that's an undeniable fact!

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Aug-20-13 3:23 PM

Dear Judeye,when will you answer the question about the CCH budget. If you read commentor's post,it was not about the sanitation. You should be proud of the CCH home,no expense spared when you don't have to worry about where the next dollar is coming from! Now hows that reading of the budget progressing? Should hear from you soon right?????????

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Aug-20-13 1:59 PM

Judeye, if you had read the report you would know the average salary and benefits of the county home employee was over $48,000. You really need to do your homework a little better. Its all in the report.

And as for that gas well I wish they would put the gas/mineral rights up for sale, as I would be one very interested in buying them. That gas well is an asset. Does anyone know if they are taking gas from the well and what the monthly royalities are?

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Aug-20-13 1:53 PM

Christopher, if you used your logic why not give every person in the USA a government job so they could go buy goods and services. Its doesn't work like that, someone has to pay for those taxes that pay for the government workers. From the military to the postal service to the county home, its a fact the government cannot run a business without spending far too much.

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Aug-20-13 1:49 PM

Judeye, the average over $48,000 in pay and benefits came right from the study that was done on the home, don't believe me read the report.

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Aug-20-13 1:30 PM clearly have not visited the county home. It is FAR from a mess.

I am so very proud of this HOME. I was on the beach with friends from Pittsburgh when the County Home came up. They were discussing someone who was a resident there. As a few of them looked shocked that this friend (who is VERY wealthy by the way) would be place in a COUNTY home. Another friend from Pgh spoke up and explained how great THIS County home is compared with County home of Allegheny county in Pgh. I sat there..proudly being able to confirm that it is state of the art facility.

I highly recommend for you who have not been there in awhile..make the visit. Then you will see why so many of us are so strongly opposed to selling this HOME.

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Aug-20-13 1:00 PM

Yes Judeye I have read the report! Have you pulled a copy of the CC budget and delved into the CCH portion? Yes or no? I have answered your question,can you answer mine??????

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Aug-20-13 10:43 AM

Let’s take union vs. non-union labor out of the equation and ask a broader question: Is there a moral imperative to help our seniors at the time they need it most? If so, keep the CCH under local control. If not, sell it.

Is there a legislative imperative to operate every county-owned asset “in the black?” If so, apply the same “sell, sell, sell” thinking to everything the county owns.

What’s also disappointing is how county legislators kowtow to Edwards. Why hasn’t even one of them stood up and taken a public stand on the $400-500k wasted on the gas well or asked for REAL answers on that?

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Aug-20-13 9:44 AM

You anti-home people.You keep complaining about the IGT money being taxpayer money.Do you know that private nursing homes get 4 times more in assistance from the State of NY to operate their homes!.That is 4 times more you pay to the State in taxes to operate a private home!****plain about that,because for every private home,right now you are paying for.

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Aug-20-13 9:17 AM want me to quit talking about the wasting of over a half a million of our money. Yet you want me to support the plan presented by the very folks who took this money and threw it out the window? I am supposed to believe them on money issues when we all know they made a huge that NO one has called them on by the them again?

You must be kidding

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Aug-20-13 9:13 AM

Bulldog10....When someone truly cares about an issue and belivies in thier heart they are right they will fight to the end to show the concern and passion they place on the given issue. If they happen to shed a few tears, it only proves how much they care. ANd I say thank you to her.

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Aug-20-13 9:12 AM

bulldog10..would you share where you got the $48,000 figure for average pay. Including benefits that really is not that high.

For all of you who do not know...employer provided benefit packages average a third of your salary. So if you make say $30,000 a year...add another $10,000 for the benefits.

So by using that figure...average CCH employee makes about $32,000 a year. Well below the median pay in our County.

By the way..what is the average pay of the sheriff dept?, the county executive office? roads? etc...

Show me where the employees of the County Home make more than the average worker of any other department in our County.

For me, I just do not think $32,000 is OVERPAID. Good grief...cannot believe how many of you think that is too much.

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Aug-20-13 9:03 AM

Joew..have YOU bothered to read the CGR report? Apparently not or you would not continue to spin how much the Home is losing. That is only a talking point generated by those who have an interest in selling the home. Next thing they will want to privatize our jails, our roads, our schools, etc...

GREED nothing more

what happened to the concept Public Good?

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Aug-20-13 9:00 AM you know where the IGT funds would go if not to our County Home?

Oh that is right..other areas would get them. OUr taxes would not decrease by one dime if we did not take this money. New York State only gets back about 72 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. I have NO problem trying to increase that amount to at least break even. By the way...have you looked at the other states who get back MORE than the dollar they send in?

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Aug-20-13 8:56 AM

Let's not be too hard on Phil and other union households in years past. In the day companies could meet the future obligations, pay and other benifits of their workers. Over time those demands and obligations could not be met. Think ALCO,GM,LTV,City of Detroit and others as some examples. So things have chaged. Employees simply cannot be paid more than their labor contributes to the cost of the product or service. Yes, to some extent don't blame the worker. Someone had to grant their demands without looking at future unintended consequenses.


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Aug-20-13 8:30 AM

Due diligence has discovered that the earnest money Mr.Flatcheck has given for the purchase of the Home is being held by the the law firm in Jamestown called Wright,Wright and Hampton.Is not William Wright,who is associated with this Jamestown firm, the husband of the finance director at the County Home?.If so,is this not a conflict of interest?.If so,something is not right here.

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Aug-20-13 8:10 AM

In this agreement Edwards has made,is there a stipulation that if Mr.Flatcheck succeeds in acquiring the Home,that he can not sell down the road,say like in 1 year,to anyone,I will use an example,to a person like Mr.Rothner?.

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Aug-20-13 8:06 AM

Due diligence has discovered that Mr.Flatcheck has only been in the nursing home business for only 1 year.His homes he has an interest in in the Buffalo area are only rated 2 stars,and loaded with deficiencies in the critical categories.He has been involved in 1 possibly 2 lawsuits against him,not too impressive.

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Aug-20-13 7:58 AM

Christopher: Welfare roles and other public assistance will increase dramatically for those losing their jobs. Good point Christopher,which means any money people might think they will save in taxes,will be used to fund the Welfare rolls,which will be a lot more then the $15 a year a household will save.NY State,the Welfare Capitol of America.And its sad these people who will lose their jobs really will need it,while the freeloaders continue to live the free life at mine and yours expense.What a crock!.

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Aug-20-13 6:20 AM

To the most short-sighted among you, if the county workers are replaced as you all want, and maybe cut (they will be) what's the impact? Will your taxes drop? On TV, a long laugh track playing here. Then let's say the pay drops to maybe $30,000, and the staff, just for conversational purposes, drops from 100 to 80. That's a loss of almost $2.5 million being spent in the area, at local shops and restaurants, and a fairly large reduction in taxes paid. Housing prices will drop. Welfare roles and other public assistance will increase dramatically for those losing their jobs. Yep, that'll fix everything!

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Aug-20-13 6:14 AM

Phil talks from both sides of his mouth as usual, raised in a union household with all the benefits of that status, health insurance and the like, and somehow gets twisted to where he thinks the tooth fairy just gave his father and his family that standard of living.

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