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Executive candidates respond to new County Home sale proposal

August 31, 2013

Both candidates for county executive want to do their due diligence when it comes to analyzing the new offer for the County Home....

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PoliticianPENNYWISEDOLLARSTUPID

Sep-03-13 10:51 AM

by the way to cite the numbers look them up on open book NY, it can be linked via see through ny

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PoliticianPENNYWISEDOLLARSTUPID

Sep-03-13 10:46 AM

*Excuse the typo* *In 2010* by what what could be contributed $5 Million in 2010 $5 Million in 2011 $5 Million in 2012, That'd be $20 Million in Surplus, instead of your $25 Million in debt.

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PoliticianPENNYWISEDOLLARSTUPID

Sep-03-13 10:31 AM

In 2009 Chautauqua County Ran a Surplus budget of $4,812,146 *Per open book NY* ( Revenue minus Expenditures "THE BOTTOM LINE".) In 2010 ( The year someone was ran for LT Governor) Chautauqua County ran a $-1,908,360 budget. Surprise that's almost a $2 MILLION deficit. So lets look at 2011 when someone came back a surplus only $453,752. Only about $1/2 MILLION in surplus, I may not a rocket scientist but going from almost 5 million in 2009 to -2 million 2010 ( A -7 Million swing in one year) to only making a 1/2 Million. ( Still 4.5 millon short of what the 2009 surplus was.) My count says -11 Million in deficits right there. Ok so now the bottom line from 2012 hey look at that a surplus of $1,726,135. We're getting better, only a $-3 Million difference for 2009's Surplus. So by means of where a deficit comes from, when you run a $5 Million surplus, and the run a $-2 Million now you have a snow ball rolling down a hill. Now had the county not run a $-2 million debt in 2009

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edk1166

Sep-02-13 2:58 PM

LOL the county was in the black before a certain official ran for a state job. The county is $25 MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT so explain to me where this supposed surplus is from?

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judeye

Sep-01-13 7:51 AM

FredoniaFred..I do understand that!

But if we do not take that subsidies some other part of our state..or another state will get it. Don't you get it, we are getting back some of the money that we send into the feds when we get federal money back? NY gets back only 72 cents for each dollar we send in.

1. New Mexico: $2.63 2. West Virginia: $2.57 3. Mississippi: $2.47 4. District of Colombia: $2.41 5. Hawaii: $2.38 6. Alabama: $2.03 7. Alaska: $1.93 8. Montana: $1.92 9. South Carolina: $1.92 10. Maine: $1.78

Look at the states that get back MORE than they send in!

What other services in our area get federal money? How many of them would be able to survive without it? (like ALL of the schools)

You really think we should sell or do away with any service that receives federal money in our area? Like ALL of the schools, road and bridges, etc...

Even if we no longer took any federal money or anything, do you really think our taxes would go down?

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PoliticianPENNYWISEDOLLARSTUPID

Aug-31-13 10:58 PM

county properties like the home and airports. The problem starts at the top folks, at the management level of not the home but the county Executive. Many of you point the finger at the Home staff and residents alike but the finger pointing needs to turn towards a politician who's lack of county focused priorities lead to financial burdens.

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PoliticianPENNYWISEDOLLARSTUPID

Aug-31-13 10:53 PM

Absolute fools. For those of you who feel that YOUR taxes will decrease by ANY means are sadly MISTAKEN. Its time to grow up and realize that any money saved / made ( and it wont be much after the previous leans {ie. the gas well and yes they still owe money for the gas well and previous expansion} that are currently against the home are paid off.) will be peanuts. The county will just find something else to blow your tax dollars on. As far as IGT money, if you think selling the home will decrease what you are paying federally or to New York State will decrease guess what. WRONG AGAIN. That IGT money will be ear marked for another entity. STILL PAYING TAXES..... And guess what SOMEONE other than Chautauqua County Residents WILL REAP THE BENEFITS.... Maybe someone should ask this question. Why is it that this county was running in the BLACK before a certain county official ran for a state office and we are now in the RED, and it is being blamed on what are believed to be expendable

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FredoniaFred

Aug-31-13 9:18 PM

Judeye I know you are a smart women. How is it that you can not understand that the home only runs a surplus because it receives more than $3M per year in taxpayer subsidies.

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judeye

Aug-31-13 8:51 PM

Wby is the County Executive pushing so hard to sell the HOME?

I cannot help but to think that there must be a hidden agenda. Did we not just read in this very paper that our County has a SURPLUS of money? If so, why are some so eager to sell the HOME that provides for many of our most vulnerable citizens?

Our taxes WILL NOT GO DOWN if the Home is sold, so why are they pursuing it with such aggression?

ha ha...and the gas well.... still no explanation on why they drilled it...at a cost of about half a million of OUR dollars. No one seems to care

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judeye

Aug-31-13 8:43 PM

FredoniaFred,...what happens to the IGT funds if we do not get them? How much will our taxes decrease?

NY gets back only 72 cents for every dollar we send in to the feds. And some of you want to see that reduced further?

Explain to me how the Home is losing money. Please send me the link that shows that on paper. The CGR clearly stated that the HOME does not lose money, and in fact runs at a surplus. Show me how this report is dead wrong. If it is wrong, why are we not demanding our money back that we paid for this report, if the final report was in error?

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judeye

Aug-31-13 8:36 PM

George...explain the connection between the Home being subsidized by tax payers..and the negative impact that has on local businesses? I fail to see this logic at all....

by the way you do understand even if this home...with all its "drain" on the taxpayers is sold...our taxes will NOT go down by one cent.

By the way...who cares about the money wasted on drilling the gas well?

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commentor

Aug-31-13 1:00 PM

Bueford you are a putz. Whether paid for by Medicare or Medicaid depends on which insurance the patient has. They both pay. Taxpayers are getting a double hit by the County giving money to the Home. If it is privatized the insurances will still pay but the people who pay County taxes will not. As for IGT funds taxpayers will be ripped off by this and Grants and all the rest of the pork until govt is changed.

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Bufordpusser

Aug-31-13 11:42 AM

Snotziman....According to information provided in previous articles,the poster listed numerous Nursing Homes that the Farvenblums were either stockholders,board members or % owners,not 100% ownership....Why is it that you think that automatically anyone who posts in here is someone you have an issue with???....Also,you only post when the truth is being told????....

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Snotziman

Aug-31-13 10:53 AM

Ron also posted a list of deficient homes acrossed NYS that he claims are owned by Mr. Farbenblum. Once again, total lies. Read the article, the Farbenblums own two other nursing homes.

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Snotziman

Aug-31-13 10:52 AM

BP you are repeating the same fabrications that were posted here by SonnyB, or whatever name Ron is using these days. Those against selling the home would fair much better if they argued with facts instead of outright lies that come from who knows where.

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Bufordpusser

Aug-31-13 10:42 AM

FredoniaFred....No sir you are incorrect....A person who is in Rehab at the CCH pays with his/her own private insurance,cash....Not Medicaid as you are saying....

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Bufordpusser

Aug-31-13 10:38 AM

HandyAndy....There also is another saying....A person might think the grass is greener on the other side,but in actuality most of the time it isnt....Upon reading previous comments in other articles here,it is noted that the new buyer who purchased the Golden Hill facility,asked for a tax reduction for 25 years from the County it is located in,1 day after the deal was signed and 1 day after 350 employees were laid off....20% of this facilities employees were not retained....

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FredoniaFred

Aug-31-13 10:35 AM

Buford is referring to Medicaid payments paid on behalf of patients at private homes. The CCH receives these same Medicaid payments plus IGT. IGT payments to the home have been $17.8M over the last 6 years. These are our tax dollars.

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Bufordpusser

Aug-31-13 10:28 AM

Here is a little information for everyone....The State of NY subsidizes all Private Nursing Homes....Even though Private Homes do not get IGT funding, the amount they receive is greater then the amount of IGT money a County Home receives....Bottom line???....You the taxpayer will still be funding the privately owned CCH with your tax dollars and even more then what you pay now to fund the CCH IGT....Sorry to break your bubble....

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Bufordpusser

Aug-31-13 10:13 AM

GeorgeB67....Physical Therapy/Rehab at the CCH is paid for by the patients private insurance in cash and is not subsidized by the taxpayer....The CCH does not lose money in this service....Get your facts straight Mr .Borrello....Fact???....There will be plenty of layoffs at the CCH if privatized and they will also pay taxes which go to subsidize their competitor.

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FredoniaFred

Aug-31-13 8:39 AM

Mr. Johnson should be ashamed for his statements made in this article. If he really knew how nursing homes were run, he would know that the county home can not be made solvent while government owned without taxpayer subsidies. He appears to be toeing the union line after receiving the CSEA endorsement.

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commentor

Aug-31-13 8:15 AM

Johnson just lost my vote. I am glad to see Horrigan is doing a personal visit. As for how Johnson runs his homes I haven't seen them lately but the one he sold was a pig pen for many years.

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joew

Aug-31-13 8:09 AM

I agree with George and furthermore I see only an increase in the client base for those kinds of services.

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proconserv

Aug-31-13 8:07 AM

Well, can you explain Mr. Johnson why the home you used to own on Route 20 in Fredonia was also sold? For the same exact reason the County Home should be sold as well...because it was losing money. It was also a poorly operated facility, which is probably the primary reason it was losing money.

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notalways

Aug-31-13 7:53 AM

I am glad to see both are looking. There are soemthings we forget when we keep kicking around the idea of how much "taxpayers" money is spent. First IGT was created to fix the difference in how much private can get in reimbursment which is more than public. So it is just taxpayers money done differently! AS always if we do not get money back from the state and feds our tax dollars just go somewhere else, we don't get them back. Where are the added services going to be? Are they going to build new buildings or reduce the number of SNF beds to make room for rehap and assisted living? Remember they can promise it will remain a SNF but reduce the number of beds which will still mean our elderly will have to leave the county for this service.If they build new are they going to do it with IDA and tax relief? That is taxpayers money. After what happened inthe past the disclouser we need is not about two of their properties, but the truth about how many they are associated w

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