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Property buy haunts city

September 1, 2013

Last week’s meeting in Dunkirk is one more reason government should stay out of the property business....

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rumblefish

Sep-04-13 8:18 AM

blind leading the blind is never a good thing, the city that time forgot is in for a "real" reality check, real soon....

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225522

Sep-03-13 10:46 PM

No. The main problem is quality jobs. Full employment and a robust economy covers many ills. The purchase might be good at such a time to expand the offerings at the dock.

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PhilJulian

Sep-03-13 2:47 PM

CHRISTOPHER - your "last but not least" comment is right on. We could write a book on how to screw up a city and the DLDC would be the focus of at least one chapter. Here we sit with a natural harbor, beautiful beaches, access to rail and major transportation, low housing prices, proximity to Canadian markets, near two colleges. abundance of an endless fresh water and we can't make this city work! There can only be one explanation and that is a shortage of quality leadership.

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Christopher

Sep-03-13 12:39 PM

Last but not least, literally decades of poor planning and leadership has resulted in vacant land and decrepit buildings on what should be hugely valuable lake front property, or the almost as valuable property one sees listed elsewhere as " a short walk to the beach". It is rather ridiculous.

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Christopher

Sep-03-13 12:35 PM

Let's not forget a VERY viable and decent place to eat was eliminated when the Stefan property was sold, and nothing has replaced it. That restaurant was actually a destination in itself for many people.

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Christopher

Sep-03-13 12:33 PM

Captain, why bother having a discussion about the expense of running schools with a retired teacher?

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rumblefish

Sep-02-13 8:49 PM

in retrospect, we ask this who authorized the demolition of the Bertges property, even more who footed the bill, and what was the cost for demolition and parking lot paving, we would believe that the total for this taxpayers albatross to be over 1 million, sadly a lot of mandate work can be done for a million, ah the wisdom of city fathers don't you just love it

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rumblefish

Sep-02-13 2:18 PM

patience, Judeye, all the Presidents chickens are about to come home to roost, can you say Egypt

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judeye

Sep-02-13 1:31 PM

Carlaw..should not be in the business of real estate....or drilling gas wells.

Agree!!!

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judeye

Sep-02-13 1:28 PM

rumblefish..impeach Obama? On what charges? You know you cannot impeach a president just because you do not like him or disagree with his policies.

Read your Constitution for more info...

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rumblefish

Sep-02-13 11:46 AM

Phil, according to the city assessment role Bertges is split into(2) properties, as for the creation of DLDC everyone knows who was the figurehead, as for the unknown participants behind the curtain that's will only come to light with a complete in depth investigation of creation, sadly that information will never see the light of day, powers to be in this city don't want Pandora's box opened ever..

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PhilJulian

Sep-02-13 8:58 AM

PLEASECHECKFACTS - my information is that The Dunkirk Local Development Corporation paid $762,500 for the combined Steffan/Bertges property. If that is wrong - show me - and tell me who runs the DLDC and why the City is responsible for their debt.

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hadenough

Sep-02-13 7:59 AM

The question is. Who made the purchase and who approved the sale? I am sure we all know the answer to that question. Now why was the property purchased in the first place? Where was the voice of the people when this purchase was being considered? That's right not a word was said. The decision of the former mayor was rubber stamped by the council and here we are stuck with a piece of dirt waiting for the EPA to come and sample the soil which most likely contain contaminants that will have to be removed before the property can be sold. Now just think if that money was invested in the Water Plant. People here in Dunkirk say nothing it is only after a deal is done that they start to complain. Now why was the property purchased in the first place? Just because it's located on the lake does not make it exclusive. Perhaps the city can use the dirt cleaning machine that is rusting away and sell clean dirt to pay for the land. Until the city wakes up nothing is going to happen.

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Localone

Sep-02-13 5:14 AM

The fact the Stefan marina property wasnt part of the purchase makes it an even bigger waaste of money. $700K+ so we could have a parking lot, and its a crappy parking lot. Jeff Gambino took on the Stefan property and sold the city on a vision of grandeur. Our city leaders being the fools they are, thought Jeff was the second coming of Christ and that little sliver of property wad going to be "next big thing" in Dunkirk. Wheres Mr Gambino and his progress today? This is what happens when big decisions that affect all of us are hashed out while sitting at a bar.

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pleasecheckfacts

Sep-01-13 8:12 PM

Mr Julian, one more time, the DLDC DID NOT PURCHASE THE STEFAN PROPERTY, if you are going to comment, do a little research.

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Carlaw

Sep-01-13 7:55 PM

Great editorial comment and blog comments. Government should not be in the real-estate business on any level. That goes for land banking too.

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bulldog10

Sep-01-13 6:32 PM

should we not be

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bulldog10

Sep-01-13 6:31 PM

How should be revolt Captain? Lead us! Everybody says revolt but how? Your s c r e w ed if you do and your s c r e w ed if you don't.

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rumblefish

Sep-01-13 6:18 PM

sadly what we see here on micro level is amplified on a state and worst than that on a country level, all you Obama fans we hope your happy he where he is because of you, only hope is to impeach him before he destroys what's left.

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Captain

Sep-01-13 3:51 PM

Dunkirk Public Schools has an annual budget of OVER $40 MILLION per yr, NOT $22M.

$40 MILLION PER YR TO TEACH A MEASLY 2000 KIDS!?!? Unfrigginbelievable! IS EVERYONE BRAIN-DEAD?

ELECTED OFFICIALS KEEP LEADING THE SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER. WILL RESIDENTS EVER REVOLT, OR WILL THEY JUST KEEP DOING WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM?

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DKexpat

Sep-01-13 3:33 PM

Guess those give-them-to-ourselves bonuses at DLCD will be lower this year, huh? :-)

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rumblefish

Sep-01-13 2:00 PM

just because 22 million is spent to run a school system doesn't mean that it's right as for comment on city and county, Bulldog10 is spot on, too bad over strapped taxpayers never get a mulligan

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bulldog10

Sep-01-13 12:19 PM

Phil, it takes 22 million dollars to run a small school district these days. Having said that the City shouldn't be in the land purchasing business and the county shouldn't be in the health care business. Government is too big and not real smart.

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rumblefish

Sep-01-13 11:32 AM

hadenough: it didn't work for Nancy Regan, we doubt it will work here city hall is a mess with no relief in sight, but we appreciate your effort, thanks for playing and here are some wonderful parting gifts, Johnny tell him what he won.....

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hadenough

Sep-01-13 10:47 AM

Why was the property purchased in the first place? Who approved the purchase and as any goodies given to those who made the deal? The money sent on property, grass,trees and shrubs could have gone a long way to upgrading the water plant. But those improvements would notbe visible so projects that could be seen were undertaken. Now the city has to cut that grass trim those trees and shrubs. Millions of dollars were wasted. How much tourism dollars were brought in as a result of this spending. Nothing. The people have to get involved and just say no.

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