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Bleak times

Report says county-owned nursing homes will continue to lose money

September 8, 2013

By LIZ SKOCZYLAS OBSERVER Mayville Bureau “Times are bleak for county nursing homes....

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Sep-09-13 9:48 AM

.I say you start doing a report about the CCH gas well boondoggle....Then move on to the Jamestown Airport that has only 8 passengers a week....Then on to the Dunkirk Airport that is useless....Then on to the overtime costs for Court security in Mayville,that could be done much more cheaply with a private security company....How about those Carts buses,do they make money?....Who will foot the bill for changes to wastewater treatment facilities to lessen the amount of phosphorus going into Chautauqua Lake? The answer: Sewer district customers....$16 million taxpayer dollars....Do these facilities operate in the black?....Then theres the County landfill,how much revenue does this generate....Privatize these services,they are a burden to the taxpayers,get going Liz,you have work to do....

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Sep-09-13 8:51 AM

I suppose when you have nothing intelligent to say "cruisin" you shoot the messenger right?

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Sep-08-13 10:54 PM

Local neo-cons sure milking this one highly biased report for all its worth. Kind of like the faux hysteria about the irs. How many more fake 'new' articles can we expect.

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Sep-08-13 9:58 PM

Now now Bufordpusser don't be such a sour puss towards the reporter. Do you think/not think this reporter was actually doing her job and reporting the info she was given at the meeting she was at? I for one have been at these meetings before and know for a fact she is reporting on the info she was given.

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Sep-08-13 4:34 PM

now come on commentor, are you really saying that no matter where you worked, if you didn't have the right tools and enough people to do the job then it's the employees fault if they can't do their job? That's like saying if you go to a restaurant that seats 50 people and the people that own it only hire one waitress then its the waitress's fault for not taking care of all 50 people. Chances are, you wouldn't go back to that restaurant because you didn't receive the service you were paying for. Why wouldn't you hold the owners accountable for this failure? Same as the Home, why isn't the County Exec. being held accountable for the loss of money at the Home seeing as how he oversees all operations there? Including all contract negotiations that he's agreed to over his term? Instead people choose to complain about politicians and claim that they all lie but yet believe them when it serves their purpose.

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Sep-08-13 4:01 PM

The County should NOT be in the nursing home business or the air port business. Both should be private. Again I ask Judeye are you raising your grand children and getting govt money??? You are all for govt support. Absolute is a great comparison for the worst kind of care Dunkirk and Westfield. Why not compare private care to Jamestown or Buffalo facilities that give great care?? Care is delivered by the employees. If it is bad it is their fault.

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Sep-08-13 2:52 PM

lol steiner i must say your comments amuse me. could you please speak english instead of political b.s.

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Sep-08-13 10:55 AM

"Bleak times" now there's a headline to reference to just about any news in this County, Country, and world. Like rats deserting a sinking ship...... Instead of implementing solutions to stop a leak, and I'm not talking about putting a bandaid on a gunshot, I'm talking about real solutions. The county had research done to find where to save money. What has been implemented to see that study through? I'd wager not much. As the county executive has chosen to still campaign against the home. I do agree in reduced government, but i agree there are other supposed assets like the airports and landfill which would do better in the private sector. As for steiner many of my generation have left this area for greener pastures, and truth be told, many of us have returned to western New York, and that includes Chautauqua County. If you don't like it here maybe you should try the greener fields. I did and really didn't care for them.

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Sep-08-13 9:15 AM

joew nails it. look around , how many young people stay in this "thriving area". Not many. The old will peak, consume lots of tax dollars via health care needs and then kaput. So will WNY. The libs will pronounce it a successs, for zero population growth. even as Russia, japan, western europe and US are at or slipped under replacement numbers for kids. Meantime our enemies have a robust birthrate, all the while the libs like grandaddy say these mideast religions are women friendly religions and the US is not women friendly . Those libs, how far their minds are gone.

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Sep-08-13 9:14 AM

While many people feel that privatizing the home will make it better, perhaps you should talk to some of the employees at CCH who were recently hired from Absolute of Westfield. They left Absolute because there were only 2 nurses aides to care for 42 residents. How is that better? Could you bathe, shower, feed, assist to the bathroom and help with every aspect of daily living for 42 people with help from only 1 other person? Just how exactly is this better?

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Sep-08-13 9:07 AM

I really think we need to see the agreement/contract which would spell out what and how the home would operate under Vestracare? If they are in fact going to add a substantial number of new services not currently available,wouldn't that be wonderful for our Seniors? Our little corner of the world is bleeding work age population(tax payers)like crazy. Who will be left to fund the home,the residents?

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Sep-08-13 9:03 AM

....forget about being in the "red"....don't matter.... people are keeping too much of their gross income.The Gov't needs to step in and raise taxes!

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Sep-08-13 8:59 AM

In a perfect world we would not need a mortgage to buy a home - government would buy it for us. In a perfect world we would not need a credit card to buy gasoline - government would buy it for us. In a perfect world we would not need insurance for health care - government would pay for it. Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world and re-distribution of the wealth has it's limitations. Maybe we should be asking can we continue to be one of the highest taxed counties in the entire country and expect anyone to want to do business here? Maybe we should be asking can we expect anyone to want to live here? At some point we are going to have to become realistic about the role of government.

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Sep-08-13 8:15 AM

the govt is in business to lose money pure and simple. then paradoxically they are to collect tax revenues from profit making enterprises, all the time saying they are greedy for making money .Keep the home, lose money galore and keep the libs happy their religion of caring , labor supreme, etc. Golly the libs are sure wrong all the time.

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Sep-08-13 8:07 AM

These folks are in the nursing home for a reason, their own families failed to take care of them.

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Sep-08-13 7:49 AM

"We've got to be more aware of the continuum of care, we've got to get a better process. The county has got to support assisted living in the community. We have to include our labor force in our decision-making processes. And, we have to continue to give the amazing care they give at the County Home, for those residents and their families."

Well said Mr. Johnson.

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Sep-08-13 7:45 AM

Horrigan must not think that medicare and medicaid are paid for by taxpayers dollars since he says there will be no subsidy. We should all print and save this article where he states...1. Lower propertyy tax 2. Taxpayers will get property tax relief 3. and that the owner will be a property tax provider. That means no IDA, no tax breaks, nothing for the new owner.

I don't believe these promises and I don't believe my taxes will be lower. I would like to know why every offer is 16.5 million...seems funny to me and seems like not enough. I do believe that this is just a continuation of Edwards wanting what he wants regardless of the consequences for others.

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Sep-08-13 6:23 AM

We elect representatives to the legislature to decide these matters. Only the Legislature can decide to sell the County Home. The County Executive, no matter who that will be in 2 months, nor the people will make that decision. The legislature has the power to decide to sell it or not. I am sure they will make the right decision and not cave to political pressure. With that said, I agree with much of what Vince Horrigan has pointed out and hope that the Legislature decides on the right people soon. There are so many services that are unsustainable by government and sadly this is one of them. The goal is to make it better by privatizing it and keep it serving the area.

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