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High taxes hurt properties

September 24, 2013

Assessment challenges seem to be a trend for a number of town....

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stangv8

Sep-26-13 10:47 AM

Phil, thing is, there was nothing good coming from the executive branch. Why should they compromise on bad policies instead of opposing them? Our problem is that we have a president who lacks any leadership ability. Reagan was able to enact much of his policies with a Democrat controlled congress because of leadership. Same with Clinton when Republicans took control of the House. If we had a leader instead of a campaigner and finger pointer, maybe some of his policies might have made it through. Thing is, even when he controlled both houses of congress, some of his policies couldn't get though. Bad policy is bad policy and even some in his own party know it.

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shofuh

Sep-26-13 7:33 AM

SO LETS SUPPORT SCHOOL DISTRICT MERGERS THAT WILL END UP COSTING TAXPAYERS AND BUSINESSES MORE IN THE LONG RUN. end sarcasm.

Use your brain and don't be as dumb as the observer and those who write these articles.

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Marcia

Sep-25-13 4:11 PM

I am wondering why Tops and Absolut need reductions? What are their profit margins? I think both companies are quite profitable, use government services (roads, water systems, locally educated employees) and should pay their fair share. This is the problem with greedy corporations who are the real takers in our societies.

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PhilJulian

Sep-25-13 3:05 PM

DARKSTAR AND STANG - you discount the value of third party candidates but let me remind you that it was a third party candidate, Ross Perot, who many believe cost George Bush a second term in 1992 (and we can thank him for that). As for the Tea Party I have no problem with their anti-tax efforts. The problem is the Republican Party (run by the Tea Party) became an obstructionist force opposing anything coming from the executive branch. I think most people would agree that politics is the art of compromise - it is not the art of obstructionism. I don't believe either major party represents middle America. Expensive campaigns and the availability of special interest money has changed our country dramatically. By becoming an independent voter neither party can count on your support and that is the benefit of being independent. You can still vote for the candidate of your choice.

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stangv8

Sep-25-13 10:59 AM

DarkStar, what you said is absolutely correct but the problem is the Democrats and Republicans know that and play that card continually. We always vote what we perceive the lesser of two evils because we know that the third party candidate who could really do something for the country doesn't stand a chance. Or, we'll just stay home like many Conservatives did these past two presidential elections. When you peel the onion, you'll find not a lot of difference between the GOP and DNC and that's the reason the country is in the shape it's in.

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DarkStar

Sep-25-13 10:17 AM

stangv8,

My view on third party voters, be it independant or any of the fringe parties is that in most cases their candidates don't stand a chance so do you waste your vote?

By example, say a third party candidate was running for President this last election, and the polls showed Obama and Romney tied with 45% of the voters saying they would vote for them with the remaining 10% voting for the 3rd party candidate.

As an independant voter you would need to ask yourself, if it would be worth throwing your vote away on a symbolic gesture on a candidate which has no chance of winning, or do you use your vote to vote for the one who can win that's closest to your views, or even to vote against the one you dislike the most?

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DarkStar

Sep-25-13 10:10 AM

judeye,

I never said they did, I simply pointed out to Phil that a group of taxpayers did try to organize because they were tied of the tax and spend crowd and that this group was called the Teaparty.

Also Phil, you overlook that Dems have sent our troops into a number of combat zones so I don't think the GOP has exclusive rights to that claim.

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stangv8

Sep-25-13 9:50 AM

Phil, isn't that what the Tea Parties are against: excessive government spending? They're composed of common people who are sick of high taxation and government spending. The only way they or any other group could take control of the Republican or Democrat party is to have the backing of a majority of the people who vote Republican or Democrat.

I've found that the majority of those who proudly wear that mantle of "Independent Voter" still, almost always, vote party line. After all, we ALL want everyone to believe we're independent minded but when actually we believe along party lines. What we call ourselves is irrelevant...how we vote is what matters. Fortunately, the political parties don't have a stranglehold on where I live so there's no need to declare a party affiliation to vote in the primaries.

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PhilJulian

Sep-25-13 9:26 AM

STANGV8 - both major parties have caved in to extremist groups. If you need proof just consider the growth in independent voters who now make up over 40% of the electorate. Republican leaders want to spend our money on wars. Democrats want to spend it on social programs. Both parties are controlled by special interests and the only time that people matter is on election day. I don't think that opposing excessive taxation makes me an extremist. I would encourage you to drop your party affiliation and become an independent voter.

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stangv8

Sep-24-13 9:25 PM

Phil, you condemn the Tea Parties as an extremest organization and then you propose something right up their ally.

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PhilJulian

Sep-24-13 8:41 PM

DARK STAR - I see the Tea Party as an extremist organization that took control of the Republican Party. Mitt Romney had to cave in to Tea Party principles in order to get the Republican nomination and I believe it cost him the election. I would like to see a local effort, Dunkirk and Fredonia, acting as a unit to oppose and reduce government spending, by using measures such as witholding any and all tax payments until changes are made to the system. Sound extreme? Sure but drastic measures may be the only effective tactics in dealing with incompetent and corrupt leaders.

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stangv8

Sep-24-13 8:23 PM

Judeye, actually the Tea Party is composed of Democrats and Independents along with Republicans. Many of the so-called Tea Party candidates ran under the Republican banner to not only get rid of liberal Democrats but also liberal Republicans.

The Tea Party scares the fire out of establishment politicians and their voting lackeys. The represent what the people can do when they get sick and tired of the country club plantation politicians on both sides of the aisle. People on both sides don't like Ted Cruz because Ted is doing exactly what the voters of Texas elected him to do and won't play compromise ball.

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Chuck392

Sep-24-13 5:24 PM

School salaries gone wild! There are 269 school staff in this county making over $85K, not counting benefits. Here's the top 5: #1 Dunkirk with 60, #2 Cassadaga Valley with 47, #3 Jamestown with 45, #4 Fredonia with 26, #5 Chautauqua Lake with 24. In the top 5 was at least one teacher over #100K.

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judeye

Sep-24-13 3:59 PM

Oh please...really you think TEA Party represents the MAJORITY of Americans?

Good grief.it does not even represent the majority of Republicans....

Have you noticed a civil war brewing in the GOP? Just hoping the fall out does not hurt the rest of us too badly...

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shaver58

Sep-24-13 3:40 PM

Any one can contest their property tax assessment and you do not need an attorney to do it. But most people don't know it or wait to long to do it. you can find all the info on how to fight an assessment on the net. you can get the forms needed from your assessor!

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DarkStar

Sep-24-13 12:04 PM

PhilJulian,

Taxpayers tried that, it was called the teaparty and the left wing media basically threw any semblance of objectivity out the window and crucified continually.

Was it CNN who showed an AR-15 over someone shoulder in a story about the teaparty being racists, but of course they cropped the image carefully so you didn't see the man with the firearm wasn't white and was in fact African American?

The left views any group that opposes tax and spend as a threat to their power base. I mean if the left wasn't allowed to be generous with other people's money, who would listen to the tripe they spew?

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PhilJulian

Sep-24-13 9:35 AM

Corporations will do what they need to do to protect their cash flow and profits and who can blame them? Corporations have the funds to hire attorneys to guide them through the appeal process but the average homeowner is like a sitting duck just hoping to get some relief from a relentless bunch of money grabbing idiots in elected positions. As much as I dislike unions maybe it's time for taxpayers to organize.

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DKexpat

Sep-24-13 9:24 AM

Maybe einsteiner could open a steinertron assembly plant in Dunkirk to offset assessment reductions.

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hadenough

Sep-24-13 9:04 AM

Think it's bad now. Wait until NRG money dries up. Then watch the assessments go up. Along of course with your water and sewage rates.

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robert

Sep-24-13 8:46 AM

Sorry Steinmart, no one agrees with you. Not even the Steinerbots

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Steiner

Sep-24-13 8:42 AM

oh look, the learned liberals agree with me. You have to pay taxes to ensure prosperity. Not one mention of the other great cities on the verge of bankruptcy. The govt has to be scaled back as the population is declining. Every time that is mentioned, it is defeated. Libs believe you need govt to prosper ! I hope the observer gets its rate reduced. how is it libs that property owners are less valuable than the govt. They work for us, not we for them. You libs are confused again.

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Dcronlg

Sep-24-13 8:35 AM

D-res: Attaboy!

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DarkStar

Sep-24-13 8:33 AM

If their building is worth $800k maybe they should sell it to the local development group for $2.4M and open up a new one outside the city somewhere? lol!

Property values and assessments in Dunkirk are a joke, the city has my mother house assessed at more then double what we ever could possible get for it, at least since the city took all the HUD money and build the projects next to it.

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PR24601

Sep-24-13 8:20 AM

Or... D-Rez, maybe the city of DK needs to completely re-vamp its budget to a more reasonable amount of spending - one commensurate with a city of 11K people.

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DunkirkRez

Sep-24-13 8:01 AM

The Observer fails to mention that at a recent council meeting, Ogden Newspapers (owners of the Observer) petitioned for an assessment reduction from the city of Dunkirk. Their building, with a full market value of over $800,000, assessed at over &657,000 wants a re-assessment down to $300,000. If the assessment is approved, the taxpayers of Dunkirk will be burdened with making up the difference.

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