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Brocton discusses merger savings

September 26, 2013

BROCTON — Thirteen days remain until the statutory merger vote for Brocton Central School and Westfield Academy and Central School on Oct....

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barcelona

Sep-27-13 7:54 AM

It's just wrong for people like Jack366 to get on here and not tell the truth.

The fact is the merger is bad for Westfield, that is the truth.

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shofuh

Sep-26-13 9:25 PM

Popa, of course they should merge, but this pan is absolutely terrible. Pure garbage. Put together a plan that lowers total expendatures (and therefore taxes) and I will support it.

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 9:15 PM

I should clarify....... They evidently can, but it doesn't make it true...... As you believe....

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 9:13 PM

Jack, I am sorry to have to inform you,but I cited New York State Education Law. The LAW superceeds anything the consultants put in the study. (They cannot make up things that go against/above the LAW!!!)

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 8:43 PM

Where did Jack366 (aka jd'A) go?

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 7:32 PM

popawheelie, it should only happen if it SAVES MONEY and is fair.

This merger is neither. Don't you get it, it is going to cost Westfield more. Why would you pass something that is going to cost you more money. What don't you get?

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popawheelie

Sep-26-13 6:57 PM

you people are all crazy your county is dying the population is doing nothing but going down and you think this merge shouldn't happen, not only should it happen ripley, mayville should be merging with them. get ahead of the problem its going to happen. all the money's will be worked out in the end and I hope a number of over paid teachers get the boot.

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shofuh

Sep-26-13 5:33 PM

When you go vote, just remember, state grant funds are tax dollars too. This merger, as planned, will cost NYS taxpayers more, not less.

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localresident

Sep-26-13 5:00 PM

Jack, as much as what you're saying should be the case, these are government labor contracts, which means the stipulations put within them are far beyond sensible, and a LARGE, if not the only reason Brocton is underwater $35 Million (if that's true).

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 4:28 PM

Jack366, do you notice the disagrees with you???

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 4:27 PM

Jack you don't know what your talking about. You are in way over your head.

You are like a jail house lawyer.

It does not matter what your opinion of a contract is it matters what the law is.

I suggest you call Westfield Supt Dave D. or Business manager Al H. and have them explain it to you.

He gets paid whether he is working or not. The law clearly states,

"if the newly reorganized district determines not to employ such superintendent, it may discharge it contractual obligation by PAYING THE SALARY WHICH HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE EARNED PURSUANT TO SUCH CONTRACT"

How clear could it be????

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shofuh

Sep-26-13 4:26 PM

Jack D, you have been shown to be the true fraud we knew you were.

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Jack366

Sep-26-13 4:15 PM

BillWestfield, Uhgtbk did not provide any evidence to what the report states. And of course the superintendent get paid just not to what was originally negotiated with the district that no longer egsist there contract is renegotiated just like everyone else. If you are working for one company and have a contract with that company and that company mergers with another you don’t keep getting paid off that contract as if nothing happened indefinitely, the contract gets reworked under the new company. Just keep trying to spin things bill so you can keep making money off keeping the things just the way they are.

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 4:10 PM

Bill and Jack. The information regarding superintendents as cited came from w w w . nysed.gov…… go to>Index A-Z then> School District Organization then> III Forms of Reorganization then> A. Centralization… 4.etc. This is the official New York State site citing the regulations and proceedures. I know better than to use the consultants reccomendations as fact. There are way too many errors in the study.

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 4:06 PM

Nothing more to say Jack366. Did we set you straight. Who is the lair now???

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 3:48 PM

Jack366, thanks to Uhgtbk neither of us has to go down to the school.

Did you read Uhgtbk post? The 3:21pm, 3:25pm and most importantly the 3:26pm one> Have someone read it to you!

Clearly it states the superintendent gets paid.

And that came from the School Distict Organization/Centralization

Read it jack366 then see who is lying? YOU

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Jack366

Sep-26-13 3:39 PM

So if you need to see it in writing BilWestfeild you can stop down to either school, one is in dowtown Westfield the other in down town Brocton in case you didn’t know and get a copy of the merger report and see right in there that All contracts go to binding arbitration after two years if the new district and the barging groups cannot come to an agreement on their own. Quit trying to make it look like these contracts can be held out in definitely they can’t. You can’t keep paying someone off a contract they entered into with an entity that no longer exists.

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Jack366

Sep-26-13 3:31 PM

Clearly BillWestfeild does not want the truth to come out and is going to jump all over anyone who tries to spread it. Bill how could contracts keep being paid to someone from a district that no longer exists?? A new district means everything has to start over new. Old contracts are simply in place until new deals are worked out and if the new district cannot work them out in under two years than an arbitrator works them out. Sorry Bill if this does not go along with the fear and panic you and the rest of the people who have a financial interest in keeping things just the way they are don't like this but its the truth. It’s a shame people like you get on and try to twist the facts. Enough with this over excess of government start merging things. These are two tiny districts that do not need to both be running. Even if they merge they will still only be the 4th largest district in the county. But people like you the status quo folks are going to scare with anything they’ve got.

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 3:30 PM

The contracts of other employees may be renegotiated but they do not necessarily become null and void. The teachers may choose to negotiate a new contract with the new district (after all the school will now have pretty deep pockets). If the teachers do not like what is being offered; they may remain under the terms of their prior contracts.

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 3:30 PM

uhgtbk, thank you for correcting Jack366. Jack366 don't know jack.

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 3:28 PM

Jack366 you must be taking about the food service contracts or the supply contracts but the teachers and superintendents contract stay as signed until both parties agree to re-do them.

You really don't know what your talking about.

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 3:26 PM

cont...If the newly reorganized district determines not to employ such superintendent, it may discharge its contractual obligation by paying the salary which he or she would have earned pursuant to such contract, less any income obtained from employment elsewhere during the term of the contract. Non-teaching personnel appointed pursuant to the Civil Service Law will have different employment rights depending on their civil service class, e.g., competitive, non-competitive, labor, etc. The appropriate local civil service agency should be consulted for assistance to ensure appropriate treatment of these employees.

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 3:25 PM

cont...If the superintendent of one or more of the districts included in the centralization is on tenure, he/she would have tenure rights to appointment as superintendent of the new central district. Where more than one superintendent is tenured, seniority would apply. Lacking tenure status, superintendents of the former districts do not have any statutory rights to that position in the new district. The appointment of a superintendent would be made by the board of education of the new district. When the superintendent of a district included in the reorganization has an employment contract, such contract is considered a property right and is therefore a contractual obligation which is binding upon the newly reorganized school district as the successor in interest of the districts which have merged to form the reorganized district (Section 1804(5)(b) of the Education Law).

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uhgtbk

Sep-26-13 3:21 PM

****nysed.gov…… Index A-Z > School District Organization> III Forms of Reorganization > A. Centralization… 4. Effect on Property and Debt The new central school district assumes all property rights and assets of the district which it replaces. It similarly assumes all indebtedness of the former districts evidenced by bonds or notes relating to school construction. All other indebtedness shall be paid by the former districts in accordance with Section 1518 of Education Law. 5. Effect on Employees Teachers in the former school districts become employees of the newly formed district. If teaching positions are abolished, the persons with the least seniority within the tenure areas of the abolished positions are placed on a preferred eligible list for a period of seven years following the dismissals. For salary, sick leave and any other purposes, the length of service credited in the former district shall be credited as employment time with the newly formed district. If the s

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BillWestfieldNY

Sep-26-13 3:14 PM

People do not be fooled by people like Jack366.

Go to facebook and type in

The Real Facts for the Westfield-Brocton Merger

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