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Shutdown: The two sides on health care

October 4, 2013

Some in Congress might have been more interested in delaying Obamacare if they and their staffs had to cope with anything like it. But they do not....

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Carlaw

Oct-04-13 5:27 AM

It's not liberal or conservative. It's common sense! Great editorial.

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judeye

Oct-04-13 6:50 AM

Here ya go..the liberal spin Mike...some call it FACTS.

Please read the entire article..but I will try to summarize...CNN FACTCHECK Sept 25, 2013

"Like most other large employers, the federal government contributes a portion to the premiums of its employees. The exchanges were designed to help people without health insurance and people with overly expensive health insurance. Even Grassley, the provision’s author, had said the government should continue to contribute to lawmakers’ and staffers’ premiums."

VERDICT: False. Congress is no more exempt than any other employer who drops coverage and then helps employees purchase insurance on the exchanges.

In other words, Obamacares is treating the federal employees just like other employees who get their health insurance through their employer. NO one who gets health insurance through their employer at a reasonable cost is going to go to the exchanges. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

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judeye

Oct-04-13 6:55 AM

I would like to see the paper list how much other employers...say even this paper...contribute to their employee's insurance.

I know when I was working our total benefit package equaled about a third of our pay. That is, you could add about a third more to my salary for what I got in benefits, much of it due to the health insurance I received as a benefit through my employer. In fact MOST of all working people get health insurance through their employer.

Why would federal employees expected to be treated differently?

If Obamacares is really that bad, why do people, including this paper and our local Rep keep making things up about it? Why not lay out the facts and let us decide? Hmmm... might it mean we would LIKE the ACA and how it will directly benefit so many of us?

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Steiner

Oct-04-13 8:25 AM

judeye is one clueless liberal. the govt exempts itself from a number of its own laws. What we see is the liberal view of people ve govt. The govt is the god, you did not build that and everyone else is just a servant. judeye negelcts over and over that big labor is against ACA. Judeye. try and get a strategic fix on the law . You gals always miss the strategic value of anything. I heard gals say that on TV.judeye, how can you set us straight on anything when you dont know any science at all . You merely parrot. judeye, to be polite you are clueless. look at europe and see what happens there. It will show up here. judeye, how about choice, no individual mandate ? Is choice only for abortions ? why do ya miss that gal ? compromise to a liberal is agreeing with them. No other way is possible.

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joew

Oct-04-13 8:31 AM

Judeye you again are misinformed or intentionally twisting facts. While Congress is not exempt,they(and their staffs) ARE treated much differently than say you are. Read these two columes when you have time-Gregory Corte,USA Today 9/23/13;and Doug Mata,OTB 10/01/13. There was also an article in the NY Times but I've misplaced that one. Please note that none are part of FOX news.(no Robot OTB is not Off Track Betting but rather Outside the Beltway)

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joew

Oct-04-13 8:37 AM

I would be for funding Obamacare IF and only IF all the exemptions and waivers are rescinded so everyone gets the shaft,err I mean the same opportunities! There are how many now,about 1200!

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Dcronlg

Oct-04-13 8:39 AM

ACA was legally approved, upheld by the SCOTUS, and decidedly approved through two POTUS elections -- deal with it.

Its over -- its the law of the land, its being fully implemented as of 10/1 and will continue to do so.

Its over, its done. Go find some other dubious racial resentment thing to get your panties in a bunch -- no doubt you'll find something -- while you enjoy at least a couple of dozen benefits of liberal Democratic programs.

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Dcronlg

Oct-04-13 8:45 AM

MichelleDavis -- still got that little girl doll fetish going on?

Despite your guns, bigotry and seething victimized white man stuff, being impotent against Obamacare and liberals just must rock your trailer off its cinder blocks...at 3:42 in the morning.

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ObserverObserver

Oct-04-13 8:50 AM

Whether or not members of Congress exempt themselves from affordable health care is irrelevant and a diversion. The law wasn't created for the "millionaire's club"; it exists for the 50 million uninsured Americans in this country, many of whom have had no affordable options. Timothy Egan at The New York Times: "About 30 or so Republicans in the House, bunkered in gerrymandered districts while breathing the oxygen of delusion, are now part of a cast of miscreants who have stood firmly on the wrong side of history. The headline, today and 50 years from now, will be the same: Republicans closed the government to keep millions of their fellow Americans from getting affordable health care.

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ObserverObserver

Oct-04-13 8:50 AM

Timothy Egan at The New York Times: "About 30 or so Republicans in the House, bunkered in gerrymandered districts while breathing the oxygen of delusion, are now part of a cast of miscreants who have stood firmly on the wrong side of history. The headline, today and 50 years from now, will be the same: Republicans closed the government to keep millions of their fellow Americans from getting affordable health care."

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robert

Oct-04-13 8:57 AM

Of course Carlaw thought this was a great article. If you are losing the argument just change the subject. Typical rightie and (joe) Fox action plan.

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robert

Oct-04-13 8:59 AM

Whats the matter Mikey, don't like seeing your comments removed??? How do you like it?

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stangv8

Oct-04-13 9:27 AM

Judeye, maybe you or someone else can explain this to me. Why is it an employers responsibility to provide an employee health care?

Benefits were something employers gave to potential employees to entice them to work for them. This was done with competition for good employees was taking place in good economic conditions. Jobs were lower pay but good benefits or higher pay but not so good benefits. Today it seems like employer provided health care is a God given constitutional right.

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joew

Oct-04-13 9:47 AM

Dcroakernig says-"ACA was legally approved, upheld by the SCOTUS, and decidedly approved through two POTUS elections -- deal with it".

Sure no problem Dcroakernig,just remove all the exemptions and waivers that changed the law from it's original. It is the legislative branch that the Constitution(which your pal selectively violates)gives law making powers to,this Republic is not a dictatorship! Now go hang out with your gaggle down at the dock!

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MikeDavis

Oct-04-13 11:13 AM

I believe CNN as much as you believe FOX Judeye. My comment was how fast you, the troll, and bob would say this article was b. s. and none of you disappointed me. Judeye, I get frustrated with you but I do respect your opinion. As for the troll and bob, well let's just say I'm sorry their respective mothers didn't opt for a different "choice" you love to defend. Worthless drones lock step with whatever this cult of personality fool in the oval office says. I'm sure they were both devastated when the bombs and missles weren't immediately launched into Syria on his highness' request. Idiots following a fool

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MikeDavis

Oct-04-13 11:25 AM

David Stockman, former director of the Office of Management and Budget in the Reagan Administration, former member of Congress, and author of “The Great Deformation,” essentially says: bring it on. This, despite Obamacare being the law, passed in 2010 by a president who was re-elected in 2012 (while the candidate who ran on repealing it was defeated), and which has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

So why should it be repealed?

“It is the worst law ever passed in the last four decades by the federal government,” Stockman argues in the video above. “It is a massive entitlement to end all entitlements. It is going to cause a fiscal hemorrhage that is not even yet anticipated. It will tie up one-sixth of GDP in the most monstrous, massive, bureaucratic snarl that you can’t imagine. So therefore this needs to be stopped before it becomes operational.”

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Captain

Oct-04-13 12:07 PM

stangv8 asks: "Why is it an employers responsibility to provide an employee health care?"

This is just one benefit taken for granted (and enjoyed) by many anti-union advocates. Health care, paid for by employers, was negotiated and won by organized labor decades ago. Most non-union employers simply had no choice but to follow suit, lest they'd be at an unfair advantage and unable to attract suitable job applicants.

stangv8: Even though you are ex-military and receive well-deserved health care benefits, your disdain for public service employee's health care benefits is apparent. I'd also like to remind you that such benefits for private sector employees (both union and non) cost taxpayers absolutely nothing.

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robert

Oct-04-13 12:26 PM

BS or no BS the shutdown is about the Tea Paries obsession with getting rid of our duly elected government. Again, they are as happy as can be right now. They have achieved what they wanted, if it wasn't the affordable care act it would be abortion, if it wasn't abortion it would be birth control in generall, if it wasn't birth control it would be the FDA, if it wasn't the FDA it would be the department of education, if it wasn't the dept. of education it would be the EPA, if it wasn't the EPA it would be gay marriage....anything but jobs.

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robert

Oct-04-13 12:31 PM

"Benefits were something employers gave to potential employees to entice them to work for them" so sorry not the whole story. Benefits were something that Union workers fought and died for. Non union employers had to match the benefits or no one would work for them. Now that the Unions are fading fast can the benfits be far behind???

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robert

Oct-04-13 12:35 PM

"I'm sure they were both devastated when the bombs and missles weren't immediately launched into Syria on his highness' request" nope Mikey, wasn't disapointed at all. Our president sounded way to much like a republican. See I am a Democrat, in our party we are allowed to disagree unlike the radical right party of obstructionists.

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robert

Oct-04-13 12:38 PM

"It is the legislative branch that the Constitution(which your pal selectively violates)" OMG conspiracy after conspiracy, get over it. He is our countrys duly elected presiden, yes he is black, yes he is a citizen and yes he is a christian.

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robert

Oct-04-13 12:40 PM

“It is the worst law ever passed in the last four decades by the federal government,” Stockman argues .....REALLY a guy who served with his holiness Ronal reagan doesn't like a law that was passed by Democrats???? Man, I can see that this is a really valid argument that the law is bad!!!

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MikeDavis

Oct-04-13 12:46 PM

Harry Reid and a reporter talking...yep, sounds like the dems really care alright....

Harry is at the breaking point, weary from exhausting his thesaurus for synonyms for “arsonist” and “terrorist” and “pillager.” Everyone could see the cracks in his exchange with Dana Bash, a reporter for CNN, who asked why, if he is concerned about children with cancer who are unable to enter clinical trials for new drugs because Mr. Obama shut down the National Institutes of Health, why stifle Republican attempts to grant a little relief?

“If you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?” the reporter asked.

“Why would we want to do that?” Mr. Reid snapped back. “I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force Base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.”

Read more: ***********washingtontimes****/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-o

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Dcronlg

Oct-04-13 1:53 PM

MichelleDavis -- you quote David Stockman? THE David Stockman is your source of knowledge for Obamacare??? Stockman -- the biggest joke of OMB ever? Stockman -- the investment banker whose investments went bankrupt? Stockman -- investigated for fraud by the SEC?

Hahahahahahaha...

Right up there with your readership with the Washington Times (the Moonies paper)...one of the best papers to ever house-break a dog on or line a bird cage...

Cmon, tell us some more profound, insights of yours...

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joew

Oct-04-13 2:31 PM

"It is the legislative branch that the Constitution(which your pal selectively violates)" OMG conspiracy after conspiracy, get over it. He is our countrys duly elected presiden, yes he is black, yes he is a citizen and yes he is a christian.

Sorry ROBOT not conspiracy,fact! No president has the authority to skirt laws! Want some examples? OMG the race card yet again!!!!!!!!!!

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