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Why Lake Shore’s closing does not add up

October 21, 2013

Another blow below the belt line, the closure of Lake Shore Health Care Center in Irving, has everyone in shock and, frankly, reeling....

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Nathan

Oct-30-13 9:24 AM

Funny thing is yes, the employer pays about $1,000 to help my family pay for insurance. Now that they helped push through ACA, we will be pushed to the curb, given a stipend of $200 for the employee coverage and go it alone. Congrats to the dems for their big win... it sure is paying off.

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Psychofux

Oct-26-13 4:29 PM

Another funny thing. Steiner thinks that the area is declining now. Apparently he knows very little about Dunkirk and the region. Look at the population loss over the history of Dunkirk. When did the steel mills and manufacturing decline? Oh, that's right, ronnie ray gun was the idiot behind that one. Isn't he the one who pushed manufacturing out of America? Giving corporations tax breaks to move out of the country. Why do repubs hat America?

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Psychofux

Oct-26-13 4:25 PM

Steiner. Not sure why you would falsely lay blame on HSBC vacating the tower on the Dems. Remember the deregulation that was pushed by the repubs. You do? Good, then look at what HSBC did as far a allowing money laundering and terrorist involvement. That huge fine they had to pay is what caused there demise here. They admitted their guilt, so don't try to whitewash that and blame the Dems. The Dems are the ones that caught it. Or does steiner support terrorists? I wish the repubs weren't so against America.

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Psychofux

Oct-26-13 4:21 PM

Nathan. The website isn't the only place to apply for the insurance. I hope you research this a little more carefully. If you are currently paying $400 a month for a family of four, I'll bet your insurance only covers a bandaid and some rubbing alcohol, unless you aren't giving a truthful account of how much is paid. Maybe your employer is kicking in $10000 above what you pay. I would hope that many of you remember that your health insurance increased over 100% from 2001-2009. That was before ACA.

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Nathan

Oct-24-13 6:48 PM

I heard that the ACA rollout has been so bad, that the Obama administration reached out to Brett Farve to quarterback it.

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Psychofux

Oct-24-13 5:23 PM

You do know that Obama wanted single payer, which would have eliminated all of these problems. The funding for the online portion was held up by the repubs, so the delay warranted a rush-job. Repubs decided that they would cave if they followed Mitt Romney's model in Mass. So don't change the procedure, and then complain that the goal is faulty. The extension is for those who apply by the deadline. We still have several months to go before it even really starts. These people are signing up in droves, ahead of time…three months ahead of time. They still have time to fix the problems.

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American

Oct-23-13 11:11 PM

Now his majesties own party wants to delay it.

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American

Oct-23-13 11:11 PM

What goes around comes around "In the wake of the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov, the website where consumers can purchase health insurance, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has begun drafting a bill that would delay the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate by a year, his office confirmed.

It's unclear what the Manchin-sponsored legislation would contain, but the version being floated would delay the penalty for not purchasing insurance. Customers could still purchase insurance if they wish."

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Nathan

Oct-23-13 7:04 PM

I heard dems up for reelection were being bent over a barrel and are now going to concede to a mandate delay. It may be too late... and I think Pink Floyd lyrics fit the situation best... And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown. And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.

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Nathan

Oct-23-13 11:21 AM

Although it has been entertaining to watch peoples tails between their legs on this one, it is not fun to experience this whole debacle. At the end of the day, I do not fault Obama... he has kept his word on his healthcare agenda. I blame the people who voted for him and the other lefties who are destroying the country. May you enjoy reaping what you sowed.

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joew

Oct-22-13 4:28 PM

How about that report on CBS(not FOX) that people are selling food stamps on EBAY and Craigs list for pennies on the dollar. Got to have them smart phones,smokes,drugs,and booze right? Not to worry it only costs about 75 BILLION for SNAP. Thank goodness that deficit is going down right Judeye??

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American

Oct-22-13 3:21 PM

"Others were surprised to see how high the deductibles and out-of-pocket costs were in some plans. Deductibles for bronze plans, which carry the cheapest monthly charges, can run $5,000 to $6,000."

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American

Oct-22-13 3:20 PM

"Complaint #3: The costs are too high Some people trolling for insurance on the exchanges are questioning why Obamacare is called the "Affordable" Care Act.Many who were uninsured before are feeling forced to buy pricey insurance they don't want. Others who had bare-bones individual plans are seeing the premium prices soar because the Obamacare plans are more comprehensive. One North Carolina reader was upset to learn her current $267 a month plan was being canceled and the cheapest option on the exchange would cost her family $750 a month. They don't qualify for a subsidy."

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American

Oct-22-13 3:16 PM

"And since the new plan you're getting will offer more comprehensive coverage, it's likely to be more expensive" Plus you will taxed even more if you have a "Cadillac plan.

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American

Oct-22-13 3:13 PM

""If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." This was one of President Obama's key talking points when selling the Affordable Care Act, and it was never true — as many of the 14 million Americans currently covered by individually-purchased health plans are now learning.. Some old plans don't meet new requirements under the ACA. Starting in 2014, most health plans will have to cover 10 "essential health benefits," from hospitalization to maternity care to dental care for children. Most will also have to limit out-of-pocket expenses to no more than $6,350 for an individual plan or $12,700 for a family plan. And they'll have to meet a minimum "actuarial value," generally meaning that across a standardized population, the insurer will have to expect to pay at least 60% of health care costs incurred by plan participants.If your existing plan doesn't meet these requirements, it's likely that it's getting canceled. And since the

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Nathan

Oct-22-13 3:03 PM

What interests me... why would Obama not concede to Republican demands in rolling out the whole program. Was it that he did not realize the concerns ACA was creating with hospitals and the website? Or was it the fact that he would rather watch his own ship sink, including his popularity, rather than succumb to Republican pressure, and give them a "win". I do also find it interesting that we have not heard from one of our "own" about how the navigator meeting actually went.

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joew

Oct-22-13 12:57 PM

While it might be off topic somewhat maybe someone can as well explain why the IRS has sent out over 4 BILLION in checks to undocumented aliens?(AKA illegal invaders)Gotta have "dem" dare votes right? Just chump change right,the deficit is declining right Judeye?

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Nathan

Oct-22-13 12:35 PM

That my friends is a true story, and built on facts. Like it or not, it is the law of the land, according to some. Defund ACA now.

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Nathan

Oct-22-13 12:33 PM

We are receiving word that the current insurance that we have through the Archdiocese will likely succumb to ACA. We will be cut from the program, and a portion of costs for the benefit will only be provided through ACA, or our choice of carrier, for the employee only. My company is a national environmental engineering firm and the cost for a family of four is $1,150, which is an increase from the $400 that we currently pay. Given our taxable income, reduced costs through ACA are unlikely, hence the increase. I tried to get a commitment on the cost with a call over to ACA, however, their systems are down and we were advised to call back later. I am so glad the law of the land is working for some, but for a hard working, young family, this will be devastating.

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joew

Oct-22-13 12:10 PM

Maybe someone can explain why this is happening all across the fruited plains such as the Cleveland Clinic announcement in September that they would be laying off 3 Thousand folks? There are many more! Aha it's George Bush's fault,how did I miss that?

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Itssad

Oct-22-13 11:59 AM

When speaking of layoffs that didn't seem to help.... its hard to see this when the employees watched the former CEO hire new department heads with brand new titles, one after the other, and new emails of assistants to the assistants every couple of weeks. It was worrisome to the employees. What were their jobs? Didn' t seem to help did it.

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Nathan

Oct-22-13 10:00 AM

The medicare cuts may extend the program, but it hurt payments to the hospitals now. The Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Office of the Actuary actually predicted layoffs up to 15%. It appears layoffs and department cuts could not be found at Lake Shore, resulting in the closure.

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Steiner

Oct-22-13 9:42 AM

joew, you got it right. 5 million lines of code to be fixed. Fir the libs, it is just like the boston bomber case. even after tipped off by the russians, our beloved govt, knowing all, seeing all, loved by judeye and the libs goofed it up Why ? According to PBS, a simple code error that did not allow for spelling errors in the search field. there was no " did you mean " if a mispelling occured. errors like that never stop libs, they forge ahead with a new screw up, the ACA. Libs are incapable of learning. they are stupid people. judeye, please tell us of your beloved govt ! yes, I want to have a good cry , for love ! caring, sharing, only the govt can do that right judeye ?

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Steiner

Oct-22-13 9:28 AM

More facts for judeye. medical mistakes are in the top 10 leading causes of death. So by mandating everyone buy insurance amd I have seen it mandates you for one DR visit a year, our libs have taken another approach to kill our citizens. Everyone of my WW2 relatives that went to the DR often died early. The ones that did not lived till their 80s ! . And a woman, sebellius is in charge.Carrie nation and ida tarbell are back. Now you see why the libs are so ecstatic. prohibition, income tax, health care , great depression. All great acheivements by liberals.judeye, stand proud !a woman gets another chance to goof it up !

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joew

Oct-22-13 9:21 AM

Considering that close to 5 million lines of code look they have to be rewritten I would not be visiting any navigator until the "train wreck" is fixed.

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