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Plenty of cheaters, including government

November 14, 2013

For years now, everyone seems to be blaming the federal government for being financially wasteful. Well folks, let’s turn that gaze on the true cheaters in this country....

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American

Nov-17-13 12:52 PM

"Government documents show that in July — approximately three months before the online insurance marketplaces, the Affordable Care Act’s cornerstone provision, were scheduled to go live – United States officials were expressing frustration with a key federal contractor working on the federal website. The fear was that quality assurance issues could “crash the plane at take-off.” And that is just what happened.

Software errors and design flaws caused hours-long wait times, prevented potential customers from creating accounts and completing the 30-step enrollment process, sent insurers the wrong information, and made it difficult for customers to get an accurate cost estimate"

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American

Nov-17-13 12:52 PM

"A series of emails, dated between July 8 and July 20 of this year, showed that officials at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or CMS, including HealthCare.gov project manager Henry Chao, were experiencing problems with contractors, staff shortages, and software long before the federal health care website crashed on October 1, derailing the implementation of the exchanges and igniting a political firestorm." They knew about it long before it happened.

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MikeDavis

Nov-17-13 4:19 AM

And somehow this will once again be one party's fault American. Not the vetoing president or the majority leader in the senate refusing to allow a vote...no, this will be the Bush party's fault after the spin cycle. Is it irony or just business as usual that the same tactic was used during the shutdown? Don't agree with it? Just don't allow it to go up for a vote. Where is all the moral outrage at the democratic leadership? Oh that's right...now they are standing up for their beliefs. More discord and more laughter from the rulers in DC

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American

Nov-16-13 10:57 AM

"Thirty-nine House Democrats joined 222 Republicans to pass the "Keep Your Health Plan Act of 2013," a bill to allow Americans to keep certain health care plans banned because of Obamacare. Policy cancellations: Obama will allow old plans Associated Press Democrats scramble to fix Obama's troubled health care law Yahoo News President Obama says he’s sorry for Americans losing insurance plans Yahoo News Democrats Dive for Cover amid Obamacare Debacle The Fiscal Times Republicans Allege Obama Deception on Health Plan Cancellation ABC News The 261-to-157 vote was the largest sign of defection yet for President Obama on his signature legislative achievement." But it will be dead in the water because Reid has refused to bring a bill to the Senate floor to be voted on." And Obama says he will rubber stamp it with his veto.

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PhilJulian

Nov-16-13 9:08 AM

"You will be allowed to keep your current health insurance policy if you choose to do so". Now, who do you think is cheating? In a typical family of four with two wage earners taxes amount to over 40% of their wages. Can socialism be far off?

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Steiner

Nov-16-13 7:48 AM

hey truthteller, the govt steals money from me and others by denying us choice in schools via a voucher system.we dont make enough and pay 45% of our income in taxes to pay 2 school bills. the democrats and their teachers union fight vouchers like a rabid animal. So truthteller, you got to be seriously ignorant or stupid to believe that the govt does not steal your money. In short, a liberal. the public schools have stolen our heritage, made us ignorant about life and the origins of the universe beyond all comprehension. Then the simple mind of trutheller asks, how does the govt steal money steiner? Truthteller, you are stupid.there is no polite way to say it.

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Steiner

Nov-16-13 7:44 AM

hey truthteller, the ACA has already stolen millions of dollars from the cancelled healthcare plans. ACA steal taxes from me ? Hmmm, if you get sick and go to a hospital, i am there with my products helping to save lives ! yes, but guess what ? Your beloved govt stole money to make the ACA work.they stole it via a tax on the medical device makers, of which i have my finger in also. yes,truthteller, the ACA is one giant stealing scheme, even democrats in the house voted to end it. How can you be so ignorant truthteller ? truthteller, you and the libs like judeye and cronig have NO idea as to what goes on behind the sceness in industry. You just go to the store , hospital, etc and the things are there. i assure you and the other dumb liberals, private enterprise is doing it. The govt can only mess it up. The proof is the ACA and the backpedalling and lying Obama did to support it. Golly, you are one ignorant person.

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 9:50 PM

Truthteller,

And I never said I wanted to privatize anything but that didn't stop you from going off on a rant about tolls on every road in the county.

As for your not supporting a " tyrannical government" I've yet to see you opposed to any government spending, so it's simply a difference of our definitions of tyranny, personally I view a government that keeps itself in power by taking money from me to pile large salaries and insane benefits of government workers as well as giving it away to those who don't work is tyrannical.

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Truthteller

Nov-15-13 5:55 PM

Hmm, I wonder how much of Steiner's money the ACA has "stolen." I wonder if he's got it on a spreadsheet somewhere; I'd like to see the itemized "stealing."

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Truthteller

Nov-15-13 5:54 PM

Dark Star, your paranoia prevents you from walking a line of reason. I have never said anything remotely like tyrannical government intrusion. Hold your knee still; it's jerking again.

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rumblefish

Nov-15-13 2:10 PM

middle class will never unite and take back their government, simply because they are to busy looking above and below themselves, other wise why would it be called the "middle class"

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MikeDavis

Nov-15-13 11:10 AM

The one thing that is consistent on this thread? That politicians lie. There is no "fix" for greed and it has no party affiliations. It's across the board in every branch of government in this so called free nation. Still think you are free? Don't pay your taxes on your bought and paid for house and see how long you are free to keep it. Don't pay income taxes to a corrupt system and see how long before you are stripped of all possessions. We are indentured servants to a ruling class that is now elected on popularity rather than substance. And everyone points to the other party to afix blame. Nope, sorry folks, this is all out faults. We allow it and fight amongst ourselves in the name of our affiliated party...which is exactly what the ruling class wants. United, the citizens can demand changes that would threaten their rule. Divided? They keep taking more and laughing even harder.

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rumblefish

Nov-15-13 8:22 AM

notalways's assessment makes us wonder if he /she believes that you can be "a little bit pregnant"

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Steiner

Nov-15-13 8:20 AM

hey truthteller, those greedy tax fed public employees , hate them ? i hold them in complete derison. they made the statement in erie county tha when the govt employeee works, erie county works. Such arrogance !hey dumb govt employee , who invented cars, petrol, electricity, etc. Was it the dumb govt employee ? Nope, it was private enterprise. Please posters get to know some history. As the govt has grown, the economy has stagnated and the middle class shrank. truthteller is elated with that, how stupid can you be ?

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Steiner

Nov-15-13 8:16 AM

hey commentor and all the other libs, you are ignorant. Hey cronig, I have benefited society far, far more than the average or even high placed govt employee. yep that is true. hey commentor, the machines were invented in WNY, all on my own dime. Public employee unions are very powerful, just look at the recall elections they can initiate. So all you unlearned libs, try reading or even watching PBS. you need to learn things. Advertising bad ? just tune it out. It is hard to ignore a govt that STEALS your money in such huge quantities for stupid things, like ACA.the midddle class is shrinking fast, expect cheting to rise. All in my life. Noone said anything about this , except for obscure publications.

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rumblefish

Nov-15-13 8:07 AM

every time there is a discussion on honesty, we are reminded of Diogenees and we know how that turned out

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 7:54 AM

As for privatization, I do support it in a limited manner. Basically because the government has stretched it's power and authority far beyond what should be allowed. Additionally just as some areas are better handled by the federal government, other things are better handled by private industries, and the government should not be taxing money from it's citizens and then using it to compete with private industry.

For example, we should not privatize the highway systems, the military, police and similar things that benefit everyone. But should Chautauqua Count pay for two airports that benefit a very few people in the county? No they should, and they should be some and live or die on their own merits.

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 7:50 AM

Truthteller,

It appears that rather then read what's said you would prefer to make things up so they agree with your leftist ideals.

I never said I hate public employees, I simply said they shouldn't be allowed to unionize.

As for the power company, yes they are exactly like Walmart, since we are forced to use both of them.

Also following your "logic" I could say that you wont be happy until the government take of all wage earners money and "distributes it fairly," after paying for the massive government bureaucracy needed to do oversee it.

Then we can all stand in line together, well except for the good socialist leaders, for everything from bread to toilet paper.

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Truthteller

Nov-15-13 7:30 AM

So DarkStar, I take it you're one of those extreme privatization freaks. I almost hope you get your way sometime. But then invite me to your cholera party when the village well is contaminated. And take me for a drive on Route 60, where you'll have to pay a toll every three or four miles on your way to Jamestown. I can't wait to hear what you'll be saying then. You enjoy paying your utilities? You like those "private" monopolistic utilities that take your bloated monthly donation and spend it on charities you may or may not like? You're OK with that. They are "private" after all, and that's sacred. I give up. You leave those of us with more balanced ideas no choice but to say that hating greedy tax-fed public employees makes total sense to you. God knows why.

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 7:27 AM

"Read my LIPS",

The left has been crucifying the right for "not compromising" but Bush compromised with the left, and raised taxes, and they have used his agreeing to their proposal to attack him ever since.

So why exactly do you think republicans should give a single inch of ground to the democrats???

Oh I've got another for you "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 7:23 AM

notalways,

Well the reason positions are going unfilled is that the taxpayer is at the end of their rope so in order to continue with the high pay and insane benefit levels they occasionally reduce the work force to keep spending at a level that wont get them run out of town.

And if union don't have political power could you explain to me why the current administration tossed the bankruptcy laws out the window during the GM bailout so they didn't have to pay the secured creditors first and instead made sure the union got back the unsecured debt GM had with them while people with secured debt got pennies on the dollar?

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DarkStar

Nov-15-13 7:17 AM

Truthteller,

Where did I justify anything any company does? I simply said you are welcome to support or not support any company you want, we aren't given that choice with the government.

"put up with advertising?"

Yeah, that's exactly the same as having a significant percentage of your pay taken under threat of law, and then having to pay insane property and school taxes with what's left. Are you serious of simply a leftist troll?

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joew

Nov-15-13 6:12 AM

HVANCDY-and "If you like it you can keep it",and "If you like your doctor you can keep he or she" X what 40 times? "It was a spontaneous attack because of a video"

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HVANCDY

Nov-15-13 5:51 AM

As Ronald Reagan would say 'I don't remember',Nixon "I'm not a crook ", Bush "Read my LIPS",W "I'm a uniter " = FAILURE !

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joew

Nov-14-13 9:06 PM

Notalways do you know who was the largest(dollar wise) contributor in the last presidential campaign?

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