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Obama’s lie better than others

November 18, 2013

Editor, OBSERVER: President Obama lied? Oh my God! Wow, a politician doesn’t tell the whole truth. What a news story! It’s in all the newspapers, on television programs and plastering of the web....

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joew

Nov-30-13 6:00 PM

Psycho you really need to lay off whatever it is you are inhaling or snorting or at least wait until you are sober before commenting.

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Psychofux

Nov-30-13 2:41 PM

Interesting to see that you think that Iraq is "old news." ***** for those that died fighting over a lie. Yeah, they thought they were doing the right thing, but they weren't. Bush Lied.

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Psychofux

Nov-30-13 2:39 PM

Oh, and yes. Apparently you don't know that we detonate lots of nuclear weapons right here on the good old US of A. In fact, we let other countries test detonate a lot of them on our own soil. So there's ours…well over a thousand, and others…yes, thousands.

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Psychofux

Nov-30-13 2:32 PM

Actually, the Iranians tried to block the Strait back in the 80's. They found out quickly that they need the Strait of Hormuz open! Iran is in desperate need of imports for food. Also, China, and others, said in non-uncertain convincing terms that Iran had better not stop traffic. Even if they try to block it, they don't have enough firepower. They can layer ships on top of each other, and it still won't block it. Most countries have an oil supply in reserves to last a year without middle east oil. That is plenty of time to turn them back and remove any obstacles that are there. The Defense department already figured all this out. Your articles aren't very accurate. Also, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi already have completed and are working on more ways to sidestep the Strait of Hormuz. In June, another huge pipeline opens up. Also, shipping lanes don't have to go through there, they've already done this before.

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joew

Nov-28-13 8:10 PM

Psycho I invite you to refute each one of the "facts" I posted with "facts",not opinions. Lets start with the "thousands of nuclear detonations" statement. Then based on the number of barrels of oil needed to keep those economies afloat that I mentioned please educate us how the US could possibly supply that much oil to the world market and the time frame. Stay with the current issues,Iraq is old news and not relevant to the current discussion.

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American

Nov-28-13 7:15 PM

And the fact here is MikeDavis has made the best comment yet @Nov-28-13 8:27 AM. Thank you Mike.

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Psychofux

Nov-28-13 6:50 PM

joew: You state an opinion. You and your newsletters are wrong. But you can say what you want. Decades later, you will be long gone, and you really won't care that you were wrong. Did these newsletters say that Iraq was an "imminent threat" as well. I believe they did, and they were wrong there. Those are just opinions. Facts are another matter.

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joew

Nov-28-13 10:49 AM

Psycho the newsletters are regular and current such as the Strategic Studies Institute newsletter(Army War College) so put that one to bed! "Thousands of nuclear detonations in the continental US"? Where is it you get your information from? The US is a long and I mean a long way from being able to supply enough oil to the evolving and growing economies of those countries I mentioned. Then of course there is the issue of refineries,have any idea how long it takes to build one? You have the wacko Sierra Club filing lawsuits to stop more from being built. The strait therefore will remain for the foreseeable future a important passageway! Can you explain to us what would happen if they did(and the centrifuges are still spinning)detonate a device. How would the suicide manifest itself?

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MikeDavis

Nov-28-13 8:27 AM

Your handle fits Psychofux, seldom do people so accurately name their point of view.

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Psychofux

Nov-27-13 5:30 PM

joew: That choke point is becoming less and less important. I don't know how old the texts are that you are reading, but the world changes. I'm sure the mechanisms of war want something to aim at, but we're trying to get off of that tit! Oil companies are finally drilling where they've had thousands of permits granted to drill. We're at record production. Imagine those countries getting oil from the US. Oh, that's right…they are already getting it from the US. So Iran fills the Strait with dirt. How did it help them and how long before they get their butts kicked by…Oh…EVERYONE! We've had, like thousands of nuclear detonations in the continental US. If Iran can get just one of those to occur in the middle east, can you imagine what a suicidal mission that would be? Even Russia will be all over that!

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American

Nov-26-13 11:09 PM

And you get yours where MSNBC or the DNC. Much worse either way. (DNC= do nothing citizens)

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joew

Nov-26-13 7:42 PM

Not critical psycho? Really? How much of the oil for China,India,S Korea,and Japan(just to name a few) flows through that "choke point"? Tell me what you think would happen to the world economy including ours if the strait was closed or transit was seriously jeopardized? You seem to think FOX news is a serious threat for some odd reason? My information is from studies and curriculum from the Army War College,National Defense Institute, Naval War College,and a couple of others. None are affiliated with FOX news!

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Psychofux

Nov-26-13 5:28 PM

Lol. And now we find that without sanctions, Obama just opened up more Iranian oil for the world. AND Obama has taken major steps to controlling Iran's nuclear future. Lol. You guys are too funny. It's like you get your opinions directly from FOX "News".

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Psychofux

Nov-26-13 5:24 PM

hadenough: The numbers are not out. Who are you kidding? Your "numbers" are before the fact. joew: I'd like some of what you're smoking! The Strait of Hormuz is a crucial geopolitical area, but it isn't critical. The countries that don't have any in the ground? Where will they get it from? Really? Is that your level of critical thinking? The middle east doesn't even have a monopoly on oil.

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hadenough

Nov-26-13 8:13 AM

Now let's see. The new numbers on Obama care are out. Come 1Jan businesses are over 50% are going to either cancel their employee insurance companies or the employer will pay more to insure their employees. Will they do it? Most likely. So what does that mean? Higher prices for your goods, more part time employees to replace the full time ones. Less than 30 hours of pay to keep the employer from paying the premiums. So where does the city fit into all this? I am sure the citys current employee insurance does not match up wit Obamas policy. Who picks up the difference? Taxpayer or employee.

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joew

Nov-25-13 7:35 PM

Physcofux where or how will the other countries get oil that have none in the ground? Your inability to see the global picture is amazing.

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Psychofux

Nov-25-13 5:50 PM

Oh, and like there haven't been plans for the possibility of closing the Strait of Hormuz. For one thing, since we have, under Obama, record oil production, and now a state where we don't have to import oil, we're all set in that scenario. We only import/export oil for control of the market. If we needed, the oil is ours, and we'll be fine without theirs.

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Psychofux

Nov-25-13 5:46 PM

Oh, you mean the chemical weapons sold by the Bush/Reagan administration? The biologicals from that time were long-time out of date. Also, you have been brainwashed by the right. Insurance…real insurance companies love ACA. The insurers that don't want you to actually find out how bad their plans are…you remember, the one you "liked"…are dropping their plans because they don't meat the minimal requirements to define themselves as health insurers. Don't worry, Obama Care will take care of your other concern, you just don't know it. You are predicting something that simple people come up with, it's a valid concern if they haven't already thought of it, you just need better news sources.

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rumblefish

Nov-25-13 4:49 PM

so size does matter when it comes to lies, a lie is a lie if others don't agree with your version of truth or the truth, and people are spreading myths that deal with Iran was done to take attention away from the all mighty Obamacare

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kcw007

Nov-25-13 8:52 AM

Who was it that said the following? 22JUL03' "When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological & chemical material unaccounted for. At the end of the Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes, and that was a lot. And we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half or none of it. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and the U.N. to say "you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."

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judeye

Nov-25-13 7:24 AM

kcw007...I agree he should never have spoken those words. They are coming back to haunt him as they should. I think he was speaking more generally...the vast majority of people in our Country who have insurance are keeping their insurance. It is only a small percentage..

Yet, I do agree he should not have said those words. As they are turning out not to be true. He should have said..if you have an insurance that will cover you and your family if you get ill or need treatment..you can keep it. However, it you have one of those junk insurances that will pay for hardly anything that you might need and most of you will not know that until you go to use it..well you CANNOT keep those ones.

You so right..he should never have said those words at all. They are proving untrue.

Bush and Obama then both lied. Obama on a small percentage that will lose their insurances because it will not cover basic treatments that could possibly save their lives. Bush lied to invade an entire C

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kcw007

Nov-25-13 5:45 AM

And the next big, unforeseen disruption, Psychofux, will be revealed within about six months as employers find that they can no longer afford their long time group insurance for their employees due to the mandates of Obamacare. That will have the potential of effecting pretty much everyone that has traditionally obtained insurance coverage through private sector employment(most of us). Of course it's going to hit small business the worst, which is where most of us work. What those employers are likely to do is to provide each employee with a fixed cash allotment and then send them out to fend for themselves on the Obamacare "exchanges". The problem of course is that the non-group insurance aspect of the exchanges will further raise the costs to those employees. The only good thing about that situation is that the timing will keep it fresh & foremost in the minds of voters in November.

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kcw007

Nov-24-13 9:41 PM

Psychofux, You ask, "..this lie is..what?". Well, it represents the failure to reveal a material fact so important/vital that, if it were publically known, the legislation would never have passed congress! (Of course nobody was allowed to see what was in it anyway) If YOU entered into a business contract, and the drawer of that contract lied to you in the same fashion that Obama lied to the American public, you would do what? Just walk away and say, "Well, he got me!". I doubt it! As such the lie is clearly misrepresentation well past the point of FRAUD. If this was a contract case, Obama's defense(or rather your defense of Obama) would be laughed out of court! As to inflationary trends on medical insurance premiums; the cost of a decent, group family plan has gone up around 1000% since 1988. At the same time general overall inflation, including the medical component, has gone up by about 100%. Please tell me how anything in Obamacare is going to address this?

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joew

Nov-24-13 7:17 PM

Psychofux suppose the Strait of Hormuz was closed by Iran,would you consider that possibility a threat to our national security?

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Psychofux

Nov-24-13 5:21 PM

kcw007, you must get absolutely sickened by listening to republicans! You've got this here "lie" from Obummer, and just have to point out that this "lie" is…what? I really think that the ones lying are the ones that now say that they were happy with their insurance. Really? The lie only applies if somebody was actually happy with their insurance…and judging from all the people that were upset with their premiums increasing over 100% during the gwbush years, and losing coverage…I don't really think that they were happy. Hence, no lie. A lie would be, "Iraq poses an immediate nuclear threat to our national security."

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