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Finding a way to achieve

December 10, 2013

Nelson Mandela is gone, and with him goes the steadying influence he brought to governments across Afric....

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Dec-10-13 6:10 AM

Nelson Mandela evolved. The people forgave him and his wife Winnie Mandella for the torture and execution of many people who opposed them. Putting a person inside of a tire and pouring gasoline inside and then lighting it to watch them burn for 20 minutes is not benevolent. Followers should get some of the praise we heap on these political leaders.

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Dec-10-13 7:10 AM

It is fun to watch the liberals on this. From their repeated saying, you did not build that to Americans, they gush praise on mandela. he did this and that and even more ! . South Africas economy is even worse than when it was apartheid. Success to a liberal. I cannot follow how one can be anti apartheid and pro affirmative action. They are just flips of one another, but hey, thats those liberals. goofy as ever.

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Dec-10-13 7:21 AM

“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.” ? Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

In great HONOR of a man of great courage, humility, and love for his fellow man, Rest in Peace Nelson Mandela. Your legacy lives on as we move towards equality, justice and freedom...FOR ALL.

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Dec-10-13 8:45 AM

Nelson Mandela was loved by many towards the end, but this does not change the fact that he was a terrorist most of his life. How soon we forget. Is South Africa better off today than it was 30 years ago??

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Dec-10-13 9:18 AM

“South Africas [sic] economy is even worse than when it was apartheid.”

Um, actually . . . according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), which measured post-apartheid economic growth in South Africa, output/growth and GDP for 1995-2003 rose to approx. 3% versus the white supremist rate of just 1.25% for 1980-1994.

Today, just like in the US, Europe, etc., South Africa is trying to recover from the global crisis that Wall Street and the big banks got us all into. (Heck, we all just lost $10 billion on the GM bailout when the fed gvmt sold the last of its stock.)

The larger problem today in South Africa is that while the political fight against racist government polices was won, the class war was lost. Example: The Marikana mine shootings in 2012 (34 dead, many shot in the back) was whitewashed by the current ANC government, even though it was the worse police shooting in South Africa since 1960.

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Dec-10-13 9:20 AM

Wow -- Steinerdzzz and Commenturd has absolutely ZERO of any substance to say anything to refute Judeye, so they go right into the witty tough-guy thing and belittle a woman.

No facts, no substantiation, zero-nada-zilch, so "let's pick on and beat up on a girl..."

Really? ...duh..."her IQ is 80"...duh... "her shoe size is her IQ"...

Incredible to know that a subspecies of knuckle-dragging Neanderthal still exists...

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Dec-10-13 9:24 AM

DK -- Thanks for slamming the ignorant with facts -- of which they obviously and lazily didn't bother with.

FFred: Southerns still believe John Brown was a terrorist -- yet look at the long term outcome off his actions: abolition of slavery and civil rights.

A ruling minority's "terrorist" is often a freedom fighter for an oppressed majority.

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Dec-10-13 9:50 AM

Do you also think our founding fathers were terrorists? I'm sure the British did. And they were only fighting against taxes, not the horrors of apartheid. I'm pretty sure Mandela never did any of the thing you accused him of. And all South Africans, white and black, revere him. But not the racists in America.

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Dec-10-13 10:27 AM

"... it is just that, nonsense, yet you persist in it. golly, you are an amazing person to post continual nonsense over and over...."

What amazes me the most is that Steiner actually had the nerve to post that and direct it at someone else! lol!

Isn't this sort of like the leader of the KKK calling someone else a racist?

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Dec-10-13 10:47 AM

Something I found on the web from a South African economist: Jac Laubscher. "With the twentieth anniversary of the transition to a democratic dispensation in South Africa imminent, it is becoming the in thing to evaluate the country’s progress during this period, particularly in economic terms. Measured against average standards of living as reflected in real GDP per capita, South Africa appears to have done quite well, with an increase of 33% since 1994." cont.

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Dec-10-13 10:48 AM

However, this is not the full picture. Firstly, South Africa does not compare favourably with its peers. During the same period the GDP per capita of emerging markets and developing countries increased by 115% on average. Brazil, India, Indonesia and Turkey, for example, all fared much better than South Africa.

Secondly, not all South Africans shared to the same extent in the increase in GDP per capita, as is evident in a relatively high GINI coefficient of between 0,6 and 0,7, depending on how it is calculated, and an unemployment rate of approximately 40% in terms of the wider definition.

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Dec-10-13 10:49 AM

Now add in the fact of sever economic sanctions being lifted by the international community during this time frame and the total picture isn't nearly as glowing as some people would like it to be.

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Dec-10-13 10:55 AM

Look up slums of South Africa and tell me those people shared in Mandela's "utopia". This guy was lifted to darn near saint hood for doing one thing only. Kicking the white ruling party to the curb. It didn't do a thing to help the little people in South Africa though. He didn't give a rat ***** energy to trying to help the poor or uneducated. Here we pay them off with food, semi-decent housing and some health care. Over there? They leave tham to their own fate. So who is the humanitarian to be lauded?

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Dec-11-13 7:50 AM

dk and cronig get stupider and stupider. cronig NEVER posts facts, just in your face nonsense. I have read in books and other print media, by blacks themselves that the situation is worse under mandela than under apartheid. cronig NEVER answers my govt list question. Cronig NEVER answers that all inventions done by white malss. Take away that and South Africa would be just another loser country. Africa is filled with them.The tire thing by carlaw did occur. all ignored by you .judeyes IQ of 80. SHE HAS NEVER ANSWERED, NEVER, HOW GREEN ENERGY IS GOING TO REPLACE THE QUADRILLIONS OF BTU FROM THE THERMAL PLANTS. SHE NEVER ANSWERED HOW GREEN ENERGY IS GOING TO MAKE CHEMICALS. WHY IS THAT JUDEYE? DONT KNOW ? I am very well read. yet you posters dispute facts of history continually. CRONIG THAT LIST OF GOVT PROGRAMS THAT GAVE US SCIENCE ?

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Dec-11-13 8:02 AM

its fun reading ignorant people. american says i am ignorant. L have a 2000 book library. read 10000 patents and a host of other literature. American bought my stuff in the store. All you posters do is what obama says to. Be in their face he says. No facts , just endless rhetoric. cronig is great for that. American you missed too the fact that inventions and South Africa populated by whites to get the raws the locals did not even know were there.they were living off the land with flies on their kids faces and distended bellies. all part of the african tradition. look at the trouble spots in the world, africa is loaded with them. All facts for the ignorant posters here. marcia calls the founding fathers terorists. hmm, what would we call abortion doctors, 50 million and rising. All for our gals ! more death than all our wars ! choice there but not in school.

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Dec-11-13 8:08 AM

hey marcia, would you call what christophers public employee unions are doing in public schools terrorism ? A whole race worse now than before brown vs board of education. you missed that marcia. Why is that? Getting to be like judeye ? In mexico marcia, the teachers unions teach the kids to sing socialist songs, but not the mexican national anthem . they strike for various reasons and keep the kids dumb. In america, the unions fight choice again and again. How did ya miss that marcia ? reading leftist literature like Oswald did ? you posters are the most unlearned people imaginable. you know not science, history or philosophy. You just repeat things like cronig with eruptions of stupidity.

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Dec-11-13 8:18 AM

hey darkstar, I have posted numerous historical facts. all ignored. yet you say i post nonsense. it is judeye and the libs who post the nonsense. I have sunk everyone of their positions with science. from global warming to green energy. Some of my facts are drawn from PBS shows, are they ignorant too ? judeye says over and over real science, we need real science. i have given her real science from the chemical world. The science that raised up chemical warfare, agent orange, ask christopher if that was not real and fertilizers, explosives you name it. All ignored because i dont think you ignorant people know what science or facts are ! Want nonsense, read judeyes, cronigs and other liberal posts. i work in industry and know what industry does and where it arose from. you people would have a great unlearning experience if you ever worked in a chemical plant. you have nonsense. Industry has facts. very few gals in industry, gee , what a coincidence.

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Dec-11-13 10:36 AM

Well I must have butt hurt a couple of liberals over calling Marcia out about her go to phrase of calling others that disagree with her a racist. With some it seems the only way they can achieve is by removing the opposition. (in this case the comments)

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Dec-11-13 3:12 PM

Hay, einstoner - I invented gravity and gave it away for free!

Why don't you do the same with your cancer-curing steinmirage?

Not that'd be a "fact" no one could dispute, right?

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Dec-13-13 9:00 AM

dk, you are getting more and more liberal every day. Give away the secret ? it would be like giving away the best, grandest secret of all time in history. there is more application in my secret than there was in the manhattan project. all done by myself and time.No govt project here folks and the govt steals all your money to boot ! hey marcia, you did not answer if you think the democratic party and thier teachers union are terrorists. A whole race destroyed. the black family is in worse shape now than ever. High unemployment. But they vote for it, the people have spoke. marcia, you fold ,like judeye and cronig when asked a direct question. Whjy is that ? dont know anything ?

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Dec-13-13 9:28 AM

dk, the gods invented gravity. See luke 4:9. After all the posts, all the science nobel winners i quoted, you manage a mock. people still support public schools when the teachers union out of greed and coercion just want to perpetuate stupidity. even christ would not reveal the secrets to the general public and the apostles were pretty much clueless . Why ?, the general public is cannon fodder for the gods.this sounds bad. A deal was struck between heisenberg beings long ago. Bible scholars know of this and cant believe it. even atheists postulate something is wrong on this planet. A god of love and their is so much torment on the planet. thats the deal folks. Christ as ahura mazda was in on it. Thats why he says, my ways are not your ways. for no human would make such a deal. even in the rambo movie, you hear the guys saying they do the devils work, rescuing gods people.for jesus loves the devil, plain and simple.accept this and the bible will reveal much.

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Dec-13-13 9:44 AM

hey dk, in one of my zoroaster books, the author said ahura mazda gave the impression of being mental ill in his dealings with the devil, aka as ahriman. Why ? for ahura mazda never smote the devil but constantly yielded up stuff to him. The words are the authors words not mine. we see this when john the baptist got beheaded after herods daughter danced the dance and asked for johns head. female exotic dancing was big back then activist woman again. the ida tarbell of her time. In any business it is not good HR policy to constantly kill your best employees. But christ does it with abandon. Why ? he feels he can reconstruct the heisenberg part and start afresh in a new human. But that depends on humans cooperating. If they dont, christs grand plan is kaput and evil will always prevail. this is one of the greatest flaws in the gods plan, their trashing of their own employees. even the gods make mistakes. they have enormous vanity which prevents them from seeing their errors

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Dec-13-13 9:57 AM

The bible reference is Luke 6: 21- 26 ish. exotic dancing 2000 years ago.nothing changes folks, nothing at all. except mens perception of reality, but this reality, the dance and the power of charm will always be there, In the 19th century, perfume chemists use to make perfumes tailored to a womans " sweat " on her skin. Why to charm guys , the women were spies. the chemists have always been a tinkering with the world of nature. the greatest chemical factory of all if you know what it is doing. there is always some chemist somewhere a tinkering , like steiner . now today I have read in books written by gals , where gals in their 50's regret not using charm to advance their careers. it sure worked for herods daughter did not it ?

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Dec-13-13 1:13 PM

So, einstoner, what you're saying is you're too selfish to share your cancer-curing steinmirage with those who so desperately need help...

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Dec-14-13 7:37 AM

dk is the new cronig, endless name calling . For the libs here, anyone catch on NBC news last night how South africa is worse now than ever , even under Mandela ? Did you hear what the next scheme is ? they are blaming the "rich" white land owners and want to take some of their land away from them ! But the landowners are forming militias ! Quick, say gun control libs ! The white folk are under continual assault by black gangs, stealing. Yes ,the South africans want forced, legal sharing ! Sounds like judeye here, sharing and caring. sounds like obama, stealing from the business owners with a hike in the minimum wage. those libs, just too ignorant to make a profitable business. so they steal and steal. And the liberal posters here applaud stealing. How meager the liberal mind is , eh folks ?

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