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Common core: Is there another option?

December 11, 2013

There’s plenty of criticism regarding the Common Core, a new set of standards being touted by the state Education Department and its leaders....

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badnewsbear

Dec-20-13 3:14 PM

Psycho, you've given nothing but the propaganda that those pushing this want the sheep like you to disseminate. I've already shown you that the only people that were "qualified" to evaluate the new standards have rejected them. To a reasonable person, with half a brain, this would be enough to indicate a problem. You keep spreading the propaganda and the rest of us will continue to deal with the reality. And, as for the the fact that you are a teacher, I can only state that I am glad that my children our out of school and can never be damaged by your thought process. Not to mention that, for a teacher, your screen name is highly inappropriate and the idea of you being anywhere in the vicinity of children should be questioned.

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Psychofux

Dec-16-13 6:06 PM

badnewsbear still doesn't identify where the standards are lowered. He cannot, because they are not. Please entertain us with this awesome degree that you have, just show us where the standards have been lowered. Please show us up. I identified how to find that the standards have increased. I did it in a way that nobody can deny, I cited where to find the information. What do you do? You didn't show us anything about any of the standards. Ask your relative what standards have been lowered, we can research it. ALL of the information is publicly available. Your degree turns out to be useless if you cannot do something so simple as directing us to the "lower standards". I teach math, and I too have had wonderful results. But you are stating an opinion without any factual basis. I did...You didn't. Where is it? You've got nothing.

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badnewsbear

Dec-15-13 10:49 AM

Psycho: How's this for Google: "“It’s like snake oil salesmen, who say these are rigorous, rigorous, rigorous standards so how can you possibly be against it?” Quote from Sandra Stotsky, who served on the Common Core validation committee from 2009-2010. Also, "Stotsky called the validation process “invalid” and that the English Language Arts committee included no English professors or high-school English teachers. The body was there to rubber stamp the already written standards. She, as the only content expert on the panel, refused to sign off on it." This precisely supports what the teachers are seeing. As I told Judeye, stop reading your propaganda and talk to the real people on the front lines. You might actually learn something.

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badnewsbear

Dec-15-13 10:42 AM

Psycho, you are obviously a complete waste of good oxygen. You and your type like to believe what you're being fed on google and by the administrations propaganda corp rather than actually paying attention to what's going on right in front of your face. And yes, one of the aforementioned teachers does teach ELA and was responsible for the highest average Regents scores in their district's history. And, as for my degree's, they are from our hometown University. By your ignorance, I'd be shocked if you made it past high school. Oh, and before you start pointing our a simple spelling error/missing letter on my post, you better check yours out. Remember the line about "glass houses".

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Psychofux

Dec-14-13 5:34 PM

Badnewsbear doesn't have anything to offer but more b**ching. You have relatives that teach…Ooooh. Sounds like you are an expert now. So tell us what standards are lowered, as opposed to what I clearly cited, and explained carefully how to find, which clearly raises the standard. Do you know how to search in Google? Why didn't you reference something that proves your point instead of claiming some relation to a teacher? I doubt that you have anything higher than a online degree in "accounting and economic". (sic) Your teacher-relatives, do they teach math or ELA? What district. It would be great to look up their students' success on the state tests. If they are related to you, I'll bet they are not. And they don't have common core written for them yet. I'll bet you didn't know that. I'll bet they are bad teachers that are worried that they aren't as good as others.

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badnewsbear

Dec-13-13 7:53 AM

And Judeye, your inability to understand my lowest common denominator statement shows that you may be among them. What it means is that our government's one size fits all approach does not help to raise everyone, it simply pulls everyone down to a lower level. Years ago, those with higher abilities were put on one path and those without were put on another. Now, everyone is in the same classes with the same requirements. This doesn't help raise those on the low end, it only takes resources from those who are on the higher end and need to be pushed and challenged to go even further. CC does nothing to help this, it just makes it worse. Again, get some real facts from from the people who are actually involved and know what's going on.

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badnewsbear

Dec-13-13 7:42 AM

Judeye, I know exactly what I'm talking about and, if you actually did your research, you would know that several of the top people chosen to develop CC have completely rejected it and are campaigning to stop it because it does more harm than good. They are the ones who are now working directly with the states who rejected CC to develop appropriate standards. Again, stop reading the BS on the internet and thinking you know what's going on. Actually go talk to the people who are involved and you'll learn something. What you're reading and what is reality are far from the same. How about showing an ability to think for yourself and go out and get some real info rather than following your Federal Shepherd and the the misinformation the shill media are dispensing.

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judeye

Dec-13-13 7:09 AM

badnewsbear... it simply provides a guideline for what one political ideology feels are higher standards. The problem with education wasn't the standards, it's the government intervention with their "one size fits all" policies that caused everyone to get dragged down to the lowest common denominator."

HUH??? Do you know who developed the CC? Have you reviewed CC? You think these are the lowest common denominator? Do you have any idea what you speak of? Apparently not. Your comment reflects someone who has not taken the time to even look over the CC or how it was developed...Turn off whoever you listen to and investigate it for yourself.

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judeye

Dec-13-13 7:03 AM

commentor...and some of us who can afford a private school CHOOSE to send our children, and grandchildren to a public one.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 6:21 PM

And Psycho, as for my mathematical abilities, I think my degrees in accounting and economic say differently, but please try again.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 6:19 PM

Psycho, your name is obviously well earned and another lib know-it-all with absolutely no substance to your spewing. I know more about this than you'll ever know. I have several relatives who are teachers and are well versed in what is really going on, what is really being implemented and what they are being told. You can read all of the garbage you want, it doesn't mean you understand it or know what's going on.

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Psychofux

Dec-12-13 6:01 PM

I meant to look up the End of module 3 assessment for math 7. The module 3 test results will be very interesting.

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Psychofux

Dec-12-13 6:00 PM

We can see that badnewsbear know very little about CC standards and where they are implementing the rigor. Go to engaging dot org and look up the End of Module Assessment for Math 7. He never ever did that in seventh grade! I could've, because math is my thing. But imagine some dope as ill-informed as badnewsbear trying to excel at that! That is where we are trying to get the students. There is no indoctrination. There is a lot of higher level thinking, but you wouldn't know about that.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 2:50 PM

"But change had to happen." And this type of attitude is irresponsible and dangerous. Change for the sake of change is not necessarily the best course of action and can lead to bigger problems. CC is simply a political agenda and does nothing to improve any real issues. If anything, it further exacerbates the bad decisions that have been forced upon states and school districts by our incompetent officials at the Federal level. Implementing the CC into our schools is like treating a poisoning victim with a stronger poison.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 2:29 PM

First off, CC does not provide higher standards, it simply provides a guideline for what one political ideology feels are higher standards. The problem with education wasn't the standards, it's the government intervention with their "one size fits all" policies that caused everyone to get dragged down to the lowest common denominator. It's also a result of parents who feel they have no responsibility for their children and do not instill a work ethic or responsibility in them. As a result, kid's now feel they deserve a high grade vs earning it. CC is not a cure, it's a symbol of the disease.

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Stanislaus

Dec-12-13 1:50 PM

I agree Judeye, except for one thing. Anti-bullying is the result of a lack of God and respect in our school systems. I do not wish to partake in any environment that does not include God. NY schools, and the residents they attract, want to trip over themselves to be politically correct in every way imaginable. At least in a Catholic environment, we can all be different but have one common thing that bonds us together.

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MikeDavis

Dec-12-13 11:13 AM

Steiner, the only way I can wrap my head around your vitrol is to surmise you were toilet trained with a paddle wielded by a large black woman. Then, maybe then, I could understand your hatred for anyone female and not caucasian. You claim to be a smart man, you may be book smart but I pity your existence. Petty and hateful is a sad life to lead. But you seem to revel in it. Once in a while you manage to put something in these threads that is lucid. But the vast majority is so awful I am surprised the paper just doesn't block your statements. A testament to their tolerance.

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Steiner

Dec-12-13 8:18 AM

hey christopher, stuff did not exist 50 years ago ? Hmmm, the transitor invented in the 50s. The integrated chip,(invented after brown vs board of education , to be fully integrated. ) in the 60s. It was all there if one had the brains to see it. Guess what christopher,it was all done by white males and all private. The space program was not the driver, the bulky vacuum tube was. once again christopher, you dont know history, no suprise there. You miss one thing that did change , the rise of political correctness. All done by your own party, the dumbacrats.And you miss the rise of the teachers union, a darling of you, controlling the whole thing.we cannot have educated kids with stupid liberals teaching them.

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judeye

Dec-12-13 7:56 AM

PhilJulian..agree with more vocational training options for our children.

However, they can teach basic standards such as those in CC in voc schools. Teach them as functional skills..such as learning to do multiply and division as they build a cabinet or fix a car. Make it make sense to them WHY they need to know that stuff.

As for vocational training...why did they ever close the Industrial High School? Why is not EVERY student given the chance to attend BOCES for a vocational training if the student so desires? Why limit the number of students in BOCES to what the school district wants to pay? Perhaps more vocational training options need to return to the local school districts so that every student who wants to learn a vocational skill has the opportunity to do so.

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judeye

Dec-12-13 7:50 AM

Stanislaus..exactly why we need higher standards in our public schools. I have gone to both private and public schools as a child. Private school demanded a much higher level of accomplishments than the public ones. Same with my daughter, who I also sent to both private school and public school.

The children can do the work if it is part of the curriculum. You can do both..address social issues such as bullying...AND...academic ones.

No child should be graduating from high school barely able to read, unable to do simple math problems, unable to get the meaning of a story, or unable to solve basic problems given information.

I would add..function skills...such as writing checks, career exploration, and financial education. I cannot tell you how many clients I had who had NO idea the true cost of rent a center over direct buying, how to write a check, how to SAVE money, or any idea what they might like to do for work.

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MikeDavis

Dec-11-13 10:18 PM

cont. scrambling to catch up to the rest of the world

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MikeDavis

Dec-11-13 10:17 PM

This is a partial quote from Linda D-H: "My view about what we should be doing re: curriculum and assessments can be found in the last chapter of my book, The Flat World and Education, where I describe how many other countries create thoughtful curriculum guidance as part of an integrated teaching and learning system. In short, what I would prefer and what other more deliberative countries do is a careful process by which educators are regularly convened over several years to revise the national or state curriculum expectations (typically national in smaller countries like Finland and Singapore, and state or provincial in large ones like Canada and China)." Ok let's talk 50 years ago America was the pinnacle of science and in the top three for math. Now? What is the one element that changes? Liberal education standards implemented. Sorry, but instead of an emphasis on the three "R's" we have dumbed down and over "PC'd" America's curriculum to the point we

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BEREAL

Dec-11-13 7:46 PM

Has anyone taken the time to view the ideology and who the leaders are of common core? What these individuals ideology are? I'd say, before snapping to judgements of cc, look behind the scenes. Now, who is Linda-Darling Hammond was endorsed by domestic terrorist Bill Ayers for Secretary of Education and served as an advisor to the Obama campaign. What role is she playing in cc.

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Christopher

Dec-11-13 12:10 PM

Allowing for technological issues, of course, that didn't exist 50 years ago.

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Christopher

Dec-11-13 12:10 PM

Here's the real joke in all this hoopla, and that is just when did educational standards decline, and why, that simple tasks like those required under Common Core became an issue!? I haven't seen one thing specifically listed under Common Core that any average student didn't have to know 50 years ago, and probably by the 9th grade!

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