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Common core: Is there another option?

December 11, 2013

There’s plenty of criticism regarding the Common Core, a new set of standards being touted by the state Education Department and its leaders....

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judeye

Dec-11-13 7:36 AM

I have looked through much of the Common Core. It is standards and does not say HOW these are to be reached.

For example..third grade math standards include things like: multiply and divide within 100, develop understanding of fractions as numbers and use place value understanding and properties of operations to perform multi-digit arithmetic.

It does not say how these are to be taught..only that in the end the child should be able to perform these functions.

Most have problems with the IMPLEMENTATION of CC not the standards themselves.

As my grandson is in third grade, I have not seen one standard that I think he should not learn or is too difficult for his age.

There used to be a time when you did not need even a high school diploma to get a job. those days are long gone. We need to push that on our children, so they understand they must get a diploma..and then hopefully more training after (NO not just college..but more training in whatever field they want to go

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Steiner

Dec-11-13 8:30 AM

here is judeye, the great apologizer for govt. Not once does she realize america was made great by a limited govt. If one was a dunce one would know this to be true. How ? By the continual demands by the left for more govt. yet judeye supports more and more govt in our lives. In the face of huge failures around the globe.The US spends one of the highest per capita monies on education with one of the lower results. More, more says judeye . if that aint nonsense i dont know what is. the alternative, get the govt out of education entirely. They are making non functional citizens. give vouchers and private schools a chance.this wont happen as Holder is shaking down private schools on louisiana to make more dumbacrats , future voters like the posters here. did i post nonsense posters ?

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Dcronlg

Dec-11-13 9:10 AM

Steinerdzzz...may have a point -- clearly, with him, the public school system failed miserably.

Then again, he just might be the poster child we need to rally-the-troops to invest in progressive changes to better the public school education..."Kids! Study hard, stay in school or you'll become a Steinerdzzzaur!"

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Stanislaus

Dec-11-13 9:11 AM

Here is the concern... no matter what standard students and teachers must adhere to they will complain as neither group wants more work. My child goes to a private school, and the classes are tough... classes which are similar to college and that will prepare her for that experience. Public schools in Western NY don't cater to that... they cater to anti-bullying, and the lower level thought processes.

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PhilJulian

Dec-11-13 9:17 AM

I am not an educator but from my perspective it seems we expect too much from some of our kids. Many of them are well equipped to handle a tougher routine but others are forced to accept standards that they have no chance of success. I firmly believe the Eupopeans have it right by separating those with academic potential from those who do not have an aptitude for intellectual achievement. Many students would be much better off in a course studey that focuses on the trades rather than math and Science. That doesn't mean they are not smart. They just might become the best carpenter, bricklayer, electrician, or mechanic that you ever knew. We expect all of our kids to go on to college and their cumulative test scores are compared with other countries where only the best acedemically prepared are tested. It's not a fair comparison.

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Captain

Dec-11-13 9:43 AM

Adopting educational standards "that were not acceptable 20 yrs ago" will raise scores AND help kids get a job up in here, therefore, it's all good! The public ED system and dedicated staff will look better, and there'll be less people be on the welfare. You ain't got to be no mfing Einstein if that's the goal.

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commentor

Dec-11-13 10:14 AM

Judblindeye has spoken and we should set the standard by her grandson. Those who can afford Private School are sending their children there. They do not have to adhere to CC. Mr. King's children go to Private School. Private School is providing a far superior education to students. The more you involve govt the worse things will be. The Country is a mess and they are making a mess of schools. Those brilliant men in charge.

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Captain

Dec-11-13 11:42 AM

OH OH commentor, that last line sounds like you believe women could do a better job? If so, be prepared for a lengthy rebuttal from one the greatest scientific minds to grace these pages.

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Christopher

Dec-11-13 12:10 PM

Here's the real joke in all this hoopla, and that is just when did educational standards decline, and why, that simple tasks like those required under Common Core became an issue!? I haven't seen one thing specifically listed under Common Core that any average student didn't have to know 50 years ago, and probably by the 9th grade!

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Christopher

Dec-11-13 12:10 PM

Allowing for technological issues, of course, that didn't exist 50 years ago.

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BEREAL

Dec-11-13 7:46 PM

Has anyone taken the time to view the ideology and who the leaders are of common core? What these individuals ideology are? I'd say, before snapping to judgements of cc, look behind the scenes. Now, who is Linda-Darling Hammond was endorsed by domestic terrorist Bill Ayers for Secretary of Education and served as an advisor to the Obama campaign. What role is she playing in cc.

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MikeDavis

Dec-11-13 10:17 PM

This is a partial quote from Linda D-H: "My view about what we should be doing re: curriculum and assessments can be found in the last chapter of my book, The Flat World and Education, where I describe how many other countries create thoughtful curriculum guidance as part of an integrated teaching and learning system. In short, what I would prefer and what other more deliberative countries do is a careful process by which educators are regularly convened over several years to revise the national or state curriculum expectations (typically national in smaller countries like Finland and Singapore, and state or provincial in large ones like Canada and China)." Ok let's talk 50 years ago America was the pinnacle of science and in the top three for math. Now? What is the one element that changes? Liberal education standards implemented. Sorry, but instead of an emphasis on the three "R's" we have dumbed down and over "PC'd" America's curriculum to the point we

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MikeDavis

Dec-11-13 10:18 PM

cont. scrambling to catch up to the rest of the world

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judeye

Dec-12-13 7:50 AM

Stanislaus..exactly why we need higher standards in our public schools. I have gone to both private and public schools as a child. Private school demanded a much higher level of accomplishments than the public ones. Same with my daughter, who I also sent to both private school and public school.

The children can do the work if it is part of the curriculum. You can do both..address social issues such as bullying...AND...academic ones.

No child should be graduating from high school barely able to read, unable to do simple math problems, unable to get the meaning of a story, or unable to solve basic problems given information.

I would add..function skills...such as writing checks, career exploration, and financial education. I cannot tell you how many clients I had who had NO idea the true cost of rent a center over direct buying, how to write a check, how to SAVE money, or any idea what they might like to do for work.

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judeye

Dec-12-13 7:56 AM

PhilJulian..agree with more vocational training options for our children.

However, they can teach basic standards such as those in CC in voc schools. Teach them as functional skills..such as learning to do multiply and division as they build a cabinet or fix a car. Make it make sense to them WHY they need to know that stuff.

As for vocational training...why did they ever close the Industrial High School? Why is not EVERY student given the chance to attend BOCES for a vocational training if the student so desires? Why limit the number of students in BOCES to what the school district wants to pay? Perhaps more vocational training options need to return to the local school districts so that every student who wants to learn a vocational skill has the opportunity to do so.

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Steiner

Dec-12-13 8:18 AM

hey christopher, stuff did not exist 50 years ago ? Hmmm, the transitor invented in the 50s. The integrated chip,(invented after brown vs board of education , to be fully integrated. ) in the 60s. It was all there if one had the brains to see it. Guess what christopher,it was all done by white males and all private. The space program was not the driver, the bulky vacuum tube was. once again christopher, you dont know history, no suprise there. You miss one thing that did change , the rise of political correctness. All done by your own party, the dumbacrats.And you miss the rise of the teachers union, a darling of you, controlling the whole thing.we cannot have educated kids with stupid liberals teaching them.

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MikeDavis

Dec-12-13 11:13 AM

Steiner, the only way I can wrap my head around your vitrol is to surmise you were toilet trained with a paddle wielded by a large black woman. Then, maybe then, I could understand your hatred for anyone female and not caucasian. You claim to be a smart man, you may be book smart but I pity your existence. Petty and hateful is a sad life to lead. But you seem to revel in it. Once in a while you manage to put something in these threads that is lucid. But the vast majority is so awful I am surprised the paper just doesn't block your statements. A testament to their tolerance.

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Stanislaus

Dec-12-13 1:50 PM

I agree Judeye, except for one thing. Anti-bullying is the result of a lack of God and respect in our school systems. I do not wish to partake in any environment that does not include God. NY schools, and the residents they attract, want to trip over themselves to be politically correct in every way imaginable. At least in a Catholic environment, we can all be different but have one common thing that bonds us together.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 2:29 PM

First off, CC does not provide higher standards, it simply provides a guideline for what one political ideology feels are higher standards. The problem with education wasn't the standards, it's the government intervention with their "one size fits all" policies that caused everyone to get dragged down to the lowest common denominator. It's also a result of parents who feel they have no responsibility for their children and do not instill a work ethic or responsibility in them. As a result, kid's now feel they deserve a high grade vs earning it. CC is not a cure, it's a symbol of the disease.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 2:50 PM

"But change had to happen." And this type of attitude is irresponsible and dangerous. Change for the sake of change is not necessarily the best course of action and can lead to bigger problems. CC is simply a political agenda and does nothing to improve any real issues. If anything, it further exacerbates the bad decisions that have been forced upon states and school districts by our incompetent officials at the Federal level. Implementing the CC into our schools is like treating a poisoning victim with a stronger poison.

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Psychofux

Dec-12-13 6:00 PM

We can see that badnewsbear know very little about CC standards and where they are implementing the rigor. Go to engaging dot org and look up the End of Module Assessment for Math 7. He never ever did that in seventh grade! I could've, because math is my thing. But imagine some dope as ill-informed as badnewsbear trying to excel at that! That is where we are trying to get the students. There is no indoctrination. There is a lot of higher level thinking, but you wouldn't know about that.

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Psychofux

Dec-12-13 6:01 PM

I meant to look up the End of module 3 assessment for math 7. The module 3 test results will be very interesting.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 6:19 PM

Psycho, your name is obviously well earned and another lib know-it-all with absolutely no substance to your spewing. I know more about this than you'll ever know. I have several relatives who are teachers and are well versed in what is really going on, what is really being implemented and what they are being told. You can read all of the garbage you want, it doesn't mean you understand it or know what's going on.

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badnewsbear

Dec-12-13 6:21 PM

And Psycho, as for my mathematical abilities, I think my degrees in accounting and economic say differently, but please try again.

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judeye

Dec-13-13 7:03 AM

commentor...and some of us who can afford a private school CHOOSE to send our children, and grandchildren to a public one.

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