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Human Services Committee discusses welfare benefits

December 13, 2013

MAYVILLE — Certain Chautauqua County legislators want New York state to establish more stringent residency requirements for the receiving of welfare benefit....

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DarkStar

Dec-13-13 6:37 AM

"Why should we penalize them?"

Funny these people never mind stealing money from the taxpayers but heaven forbid someone doesn't get handouts the instant they want them.

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judeye

Dec-13-13 7:16 AM

Where are these people coming from and for what reasons are they applying for assistance?

Why cannot she present the data to us, the tax payers, on how many in our County receive cash assistance, how many of them are 'employable' and how many are seniors, disabled, or otherwise unable to work. How many receive Snap..and of those how many are working?

How can she know how many are from out of state, yet finds it difficult to give us the data on the numbers already receiving assistance? Why is this not public information, readily available for anyone to review? After all, it is OUR money

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Clowns

Dec-13-13 7:58 AM

Judeye are you serious? Where are they coming from? All the minorities flock here from Texas, Florida. You name it. This area is very well known for welfare. Look around you this county is turning into Brooklyn.

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joew

Dec-13-13 8:59 AM

Judeye all of the data you seek is readily available on various websites or you can contact Ms Spanos or Ms Schuyler,both will be happy to speak with you.

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follett

Dec-13-13 9:07 AM

How many elderly who lived and worked in this county their entire lives take money for necessities from their budgets to pay the evergrowing medicaid portion of their county taxes? Make medicaid more like medicare..a co pay for the doctors office and ER. and some assistance with necessary drug costs,Snap benefits that don't include pop, candy, junk food,etc.and Welfare to work programs . Check the grocery cart of a frail elderly woman opposed to 2 able bodied people with a full cart of junk and convenience foods and you will see what I mean. I think we don't know who the poor really are because they still have pride in their independence. Everyone in this country and this county deserves medical care, nutritious food, heat and necessary clothing but these social programs need to be trimmed down.

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Carlaw

Dec-13-13 9:11 AM

No it isn't JoeW!! That's the problem. Judeye has made excellent points! How can we start finding solutions when we don't have any information about the problems. I have been following the legislature on this issue for almost 2 years and there has been very little improvement in DSS. The Dept. of Health and Social Services were combined and dumped on Ms. Schuyler and it has been down hill all the way. Some legislators have been asking for this information and accountability for 2 years now and we just can't seem to get it. We were promised a Welfare Reform Czar to fight fraud and save money and instead we got this. It represents over 80% of the budget! We need to do something.

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follett

Dec-13-13 9:22 AM

A lot of money could be saved on HEAP benefits if they added a question about what kind of car youre driving,like a SNAP benefit application has. I know too many people driving a brand new car because they make a lot of money working "under the table" I also know a lot of working and honest people who can't afford health insurance either...:(

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CadeFoster

Dec-13-13 9:33 AM

WHat I dont like is the ones that double dip. They sign up here, then go to another state or county and sign up there.

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CadeFoster

Dec-13-13 9:37 AM

If we really want to cut down on fraud ? Then they need to implement facial recognition software. They already have photo IDs. must be at least statewide. Nationwide would be better.

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commentor

Dec-13-13 9:44 AM

There is so much cheating going on. They don't care to find it. Pretend to be separated and collect. Work get paid under the table and collect. Keep pumping out those illegitimate kids and collect. 30 day residency....WOW that's easy enough. Change the rules and cut the benefits period end. Welfare should NOT be a career!!! Should NOT be a lifestyle!!! Welfare for 2 years and then done for life!! After one illegitimate kid no welfare for the rest!! Go back to food stamps so plastic cannot be used in ATM's for gambling money!!! Does welfare pay for the insurance on the cars they drive??? If so END IT!!!! Stop the mollycoddling!!!!!

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LitlDaddy1951@yahoo.com

Dec-13-13 10:49 AM

Drug Testing, to begin with, do as Pa. does, 1 year and attend back to work inservices. Watch out for the goodie two shoes who work with illegal aliens, these people get them full benefits, and they work full time, cannot speak english, thats the ticket.

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Regelski

Dec-13-13 10:53 AM

The assumption seems to be that people are coming to CC to get on welfare? Not to other places? People are leaving CC for Florida and TX, not the opposite. In many social democracies around the world, after a certain time the jobless are retrained for work that is available and needed. An excess of hairdressers, for example, gets retrained as workers in the health fields. Pay attention to how other countries handles this problem.

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Carlaw

Dec-13-13 11:20 AM

We are NOT handling the problem, we are encouraging the problem. It is a huge voter base.

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DarkStar

Dec-13-13 11:29 AM

Regelski,

Workers are leaving CC for Florida but many people move to CC for welfare.

When I worked in the ER locally we used to get people right off the plane from Puerto Rico who had never set foot in the state until a few hours before that already had NYS Medicaid cards which they applied for through the mail because they planned on moving here.

commentor,

You are correct, a big part of the problem is social services workers themselves teach people how to play the system, after all it's to their benefit to keep as many people leeching off the taxpayer as possible since that is job security for them.

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Captain

Dec-13-13 12:59 PM

I agree w/Carlaw; judeye raises valid questions that no one will answer. The OBSERVER assigns a reporter to cover this story and he/she won't or can't get the answers, therefore, it clearly contradicts joey's statement that Spanos and/or Schuyler are happy (or willing) to discuss or provide actual proof.

Would providing proof to satisfy such inquiries violate a recipient's civil rights or breach of confidentiality? If so, then that's insane too and should be changed.

DarkStar's point of DSS case workers helping applicants scam the system to help keep their own jobs secure is another problem. You can't fix an abused system until strict measures are imposed, including disciplinary action against case workers who are corrupt or fail to follow protocol.

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joew

Dec-13-13 1:26 PM

Carlaw I'm sorry that I have to disagree with you but the information that Judeye wants IS IS IS available from both the internet(searches)AND by contacting(phone)the two women(or departments) I mentioned! None of this data is secret,none of this data is classified but it does require some effort to access it. For example about 2700 seniors currently receive SNAP benefits,(Chautauqua County)however based on income data right at 8000 are eligible. Got that data after doing some searching,no magic needed!

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PhilJulian

Dec-13-13 2:12 PM

The fact that we are extending welfare to residents from other states is symbolic of the insanity of New York State government. What ever happened to common sense and why do we allow this to happen? I believe there should be a one year residency requirement and those who are physically able should be requirede to spend eight hours per day on public service operations. Everyone knows the current system is nonsense but no one does anything about it. Where is the leadership???????????

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Captain

Dec-13-13 3:00 PM

Joe; maybe you can call your friend and TELL HIM how easy Ms Atkins could've included the same info that the public has repeatedly requested after reading previous related stories, or did your friend NOT instruct Ms Atkins to do the research or ask such questions during her interview w/the DSS?

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badnewsbear

Dec-13-13 3:21 PM

The majority of welfare should be eliminated entirely and a workfare system implemented. As a taxpayer, if we're going to support these people, we should expect something for it in return. Right now, there are plenty of sidewalks to shovel and streets to clear. No reason that any able bodied person can't work a little. The heart of the problem is that our entitlement programs provide too much to too many and there is no longer any motivation for people to actually try to find work.

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joew

Dec-13-13 3:58 PM

Captain your incoherent rambling about some sort of friend and needing someone to hold your hand on every issue is amusing.

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Captain

Dec-13-13 4:54 PM

We've all read here how you publicly support & praise JD (nothing wrong w/that). You've even admitted to having personal conversations w/him, so was I wrong with assuming that you consider him a friend? Is this clear enough?

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joew

Dec-13-13 5:06 PM

As usual you missed the point,not surprising.

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Captain

Dec-13-13 5:13 PM

Didn't mean to confuse you. Just ask JD (the friend "clue" that apparently went over your head) to direct his employee (Ms Atkins) to do a complete story and include this same data in her assignment by doing what you're telling us to do. JD or Ms Atkins don't need any magic, just a little effort, right? Is that too much to expect from a newspaper?

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Captain

Dec-13-13 5:17 PM

Do we have to "lead this newspaper by the hand" and tell it how to acquire relevant facts to support a story it prints?

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reform

Dec-13-13 5:44 PM

I think every able bodied welfare recipient should get their butt outside and start shoveling our streets. Should be all cleaned up in an hour.

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