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NRG deal: Area’s voice heard in Albany

December 16, 2013

When it came to converting the NRG Energy Inc. plant in Dunkirk, it came down to one thing: the power of the people. Elected officials, including state Sen....

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Steiner

Dec-16-13 7:29 AM

yes it is good news.Now if we can get fracking started in NY and make some money , it would be even better.

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rumblefish

Dec-16-13 8:44 AM

not hardly, it was smart business, 15 million investment to recoup 20 times as much in taxes, and be thought of as a savior to boot

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Veteran1957

Dec-16-13 9:13 AM

Now we have a ten year reprieve. During that period will Dunkirk choose to sit back and further numb their minds with alcohol in the "clubs" and wait for the next bailout? Or perhaps is it time to hash out a long term vision and strategic plan for the City that will assure our survival for another century?

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PhilJulian

Dec-16-13 9:27 AM

I once knew a man who worked as a dishwasher. Living on a meager salary he managed to support a wife and about eight children. He kept food on the table and a roof over their heads and he did it on a minimum wage. I was so impressed that one day I asked him "how do you do it?" He replied "it's not how much you make that matters, it's how you spend what you make". That conversation took place over 50 years ago but it is still relevant today and especially relevant to government spending. Yes, we have been given a temporary repreive fom NRG and Albany but our cancer will not be cured until local officials learn how to reduce spending and return our area to a thriving, friendly place for business to operate and residents to have a decent quality of life.

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Captain

Dec-16-13 10:00 AM

Vet57; You're absolutely right! I can't blame any pol, rep, or BOE member b/c whatever little reform he, she or they may be able to pass, it won't be nearly enough. Significant reform to help bring down public service costs are needed, and such savings will never be achieved w/o the full cooperation from ALL public employees, both union AND non-union alike. Their position regarding compensation cuts are well known, and I can't say I blame them, but without an alternative plan, what other choice is there?

We've allowed a monster to develop over many years, and the cost to keep feeding this animal has grown to unsustainable levels. Ironically, it's destroying the very sources it needs to survive. The issue is NOT about what a public employee deserves, it's about how much a municipality can afford to pay, and the threat of NRG closing easily answers this question.

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DKexpat

Dec-16-13 10:32 AM

Jes’ wonderin’ – given the fact the presser was held at the Clarion, did anyone as the Gov if he had a comment on the DLDC’s approval/use of HUD funds for property improvements there? :-)

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DKexpat

Dec-16-13 10:36 AM

Agree with Captain and Veteran1957. It’s like the city was on death row facing execution and the Gov gave it a last-minute reprieve.

The “commutation of sentence” is for 10 years only. If the city doesn’t change its ways, what happens in 10 years?

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Captain

Dec-16-13 11:00 AM

Glad to see posters understand that the Gov's support is a "stay of execution" or a "10-yr reprieve" and NOT the solution. Significant savings must be realized or the city will face the same threats in the near future.

Personally, I don't have much hope. This isn't just a local problem, it's nation-wide, and we all know that the opposition to change is so strong that it's led some municipalities to file bankruptcy.

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rumblefish

Dec-16-13 1:14 PM

questioning another politicians spending and financial blunders, unheard of, unless that politician is now or will soon be an election appointment

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rumblefish

Dec-16-13 1:17 PM

best case scenario we can see for us, Not to be living or living in the area 10 years from now,

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rumblefish

Dec-16-13 1:24 PM

same applies to future election adversary..........casting aspersions, well that is our job

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rumblefish

Dec-16-13 1:26 PM

"leopards changing spots" is more realistic that spending reforms in government

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Christopher

Dec-16-13 2:51 PM

Phil, if minimum wage had kept pace with the cost of living for the last 50 years it's be about $18 an hour, maybe more. It's been stated in many places by many people that it would be more than $10 an hour just for the last TWENTY years, so $18 an hour after 50 years is way conservative. Just something to mull over.

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Veteran1957

Dec-16-13 6:01 PM

A strategic plan is not just public sector wages. It involves deciding what type of economy we are going to promote here through the many tools business as well as local, county, and state governments have at their disposal. Will we continue to accept a "whatever comes our way" approach that has resulted in Dunkirk being the social services/ welfare capitol of the region, or will we decide, then plan on an approach that maximizes the tremendous resources we have here. Will we be a tourist/ lake centered economy? Will we attempt to attract high-tech or manufacturing? Whatever it is it will require an acceptance to change and a sound understanding of economics.

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PhilJulian

Dec-16-13 7:00 PM

CHRISTOPHER - my pension has not increased in the 15 years that I have been retired. It's not how much you make. It's how you spend what you make that matters. It's a lesson that government still needs to learn.

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Captain

Dec-16-13 7:54 PM

Vet57: that's a good question for Edwards, Bill Daly (should be fired) and Vince Horrigan. New development at the city level? Forget it...they're still talking about the Main St train station and/or adding to the city's list of vacant lots.

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concerned

Dec-16-13 8:49 PM

Dunkirk has a short memory in 10 years they will be back in the exact position they where in last week.

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 7:32 AM

christopher and his delusions again.Paul, why not make the minimum wage a hundred grand a year ! the govt says so. Dont worry about the business market or economic realities. the liberals have spoken. Christopher do you actually know anything at all ? the minimum wage was started to keep blacks out of the job market. it has worked great in this respect. Inner city unemployment is at least 25% up to 50% in the youth. pnce christopher shows he knows nothing at all aniut kobs or ecoinmics. He only knows govt mandates. Hey paul, i ask, where is that list of science projects the govt had and did to promote what we have ? was it public employee stooges ? Nope, it was private enterprise. how can you be so ignorant of history and economics paul ? How ?

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notalways

Dec-17-13 7:36 AM

Why is it always the working middle income people that we look at? What about the hugh salaries and benefits for those on top? It seems the more we pay them and the more of them we get to fix things the worse it gets.

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 7:40 AM

veteran has got it right. If we attract only tourism, we will have ignorant people. Manufacturing makes one smart. One sees how things are made. But imagine the howls from the wacko left about co2 emisions if a manufacturer were to locate here. The decline of manufacturing has caused a huge decline in intelligence. People just dont know how or even what is behind the things they buy in the store. we can thank our libs , unions and EPA for all of this. they seem bent on making stupid people.all life is kicking the can down the road. One has kids, the parents die. One works at a business, that goes bust. the only thing eternal seems to be the govt and public employee unions. they dont have to think, just mandate. what a job.

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 7:45 AM

hey notalways. A proposal on the ballot to limit CEO pay to some multiple of the lowest paid person in the business was voted down by a good margin by the swiss. the libs started this class warfare thing. It divides america and makes us poorer for it. I know people who make really good money. for this, they work 70 hour weeks and have a lot of responsibility. Crying over who makes what is childish. Of course the libe do that always , for the libs are children in their thinking.i guess we are all supposed to be stupid and wait for the govt to do somethinng. You know like cronig always says, the govt did it.

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Dcronlg

Dec-17-13 8:15 AM

This county has less than 1% of NY's population. And 2,000 people showed up to protest, in a GOP county to boot.

These aren't big numbers to make Cuomo turn his head or any body in Albany to do likewise. There's no power in these numbers at all, so don't begin to kid yourselves. Its a gnat on a rhino's backside, in comparison.

So, the plain simple fact is that reasons, that have nothing to do with "people power", made a liberal Democrat governor haul his butt to one of the farthest reaches of the state on a Sunday to salvage this city's behind.

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 8:21 AM

more from the world of energy and its related to why natural gas is so abundant. fracking and the govt. Mexico has announced they will allow foreign investment in their oil company. this together with fracking will make north america awash in crude oil ! Yes . it will take a little time, but that is the prediction. It was the mexican govt hindering progress that finally woke up. Hey christopher and cronig. Do ya know any govt programs that work ? for the gals, see its a mans world and always will be by camille paglia. In it she says the men have invented EVERYTHING.without men life would be drastically different. so along arrive the gals at the LWV and say no fracking ! roberta , we need you now. how ya doing gals, liberals and other dinosaur thinkers ? Lets hear it liberals, judeye, paul, cronig , commentor etc ! praise the govt stooge employee ! they gave us eveyrthing , LOL

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 8:29 AM

stupid cronig is at it again. the power from the plant can be transmitted hundreds of miles . Just follow the big wires east down the 90. According to linemen, those wires feed the NY grid.cronig, ever desperate to apologize for the dumbacrats who ruined everything and gave us nothing, that cronig knows nothing abut science, electrictiy or just about everything. way to go cronig ! cronig, the guv believes like you in the extension cord theory of electricity. made possible by tesla in his day .cronig , cuomo knows, even if you dont you need some generators spinning somewhere. cronig, every post shows kow amazingly ignorant you are. the govt DID NOT INVENT THE SCIENCE WORLD. private enterprise did.golly that is a hard pill for you to swllow. coinstatntly erupting, saying the govt did it, the govt did it.no , it was genius guys, not the govt stooge emoloyee.

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Steiner

Dec-17-13 8:34 AM

cronig, you kid yourself all the time. you ignore my repeated requests for tht govt science list. You say the govt over and over, hey cronig, if the libs like you want ever more and more laws and we got the world of science before your laws, how is it you miss the fact the these laws and by logic, the govt did not do what you believe ? Are you learning disabled , a govt emmployee , just ignorant or just a liberal? Let us know cronig.ps it was tesla who lit up buffalo from niagara falls.the first generators had tesla on the nameplate. was tesla a govt employee ? ENLIGHTEN US OH LEARNED CRONIG. tell us about the govt !

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