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JCC: Nursing program a bright spot

January 8, 2014

In 2012, Jamestown Community College received a ranking of “Top Performing Public Two-Year College....

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joew

Jan-10-14 6:47 PM

Sorry Pauly sweetie but I saw nothing in Sen Young's civil "Open Letter" that accused people of not caring that some people would die should Lake Shore close as you did! Do you remember saying that? Those are the kind of callous remarks that I called you out on. There are ways to get points across without using gutter comments. Do you remember your comment about the installation of the elevator which you used to inflame opinion? It's the same thing you did on the very first comment here on this topic. Again your article was edited and after reading it I understood why. That was all I said at the time but you made it out to be some sort of BS betrayal of trust. Your union thuggery methods of intimidation don't impress me pauly.

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Christopher

Jan-10-14 5:50 PM

Everything I said in my gutted article was true Joey dearest, try using some of those incredible investigative techniques you have and find out for yourself. Like I said, ask anyone belonging to a certain medical group if they can change Dr.'s. Find out what a "Hospitalist" is, and how that benefits a patient. Talk about blowing out of proportion! You're a flat out liar!! And sorry, you attacked about every post I made trying to keep this issue alive. Senator Young is saying much the same thing I've been saying, why aren't you bad mouthing her?

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czychrab

Jan-10-14 10:27 AM

Where are these jobs? None of the nurses I know ever quit and go home to stay. Most are back in 3 weeks after having a baby. The schools turn out degreed people but getting a job is a trick. By far, the LPN's are the most dedicated. It seems RN's take it on the chin from the patients, family, Dr's and they burn out fast with the LPN's trying to fill in the gaps. They ALL have my sympathy!

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joew

Jan-09-14 2:02 PM

Lets set the record straight here Pauly.I NEVER attacked/badmouthed anyone's attempt to keep Lake Shore open,NEVER! I did question those who used slander,personal attacks,rumors,and conjecture to achieve that goal,big difference! That method used by you led to the editing of your commentary! Now you are rambling about me milking the system that I so profess to despise and blowing out of proportion my side trip to PA referencing fracking.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 9:02 PM

Me either, Joey. I was quoting a friend from where I used to work who'd told me the law had passed. I do know for the first time BOTH houses of State Government supported it, so I took that person at their word. I know a lot of RN's were quite worried about it. I'm actually very happy to have been wrong, as it's an unbelievable opportunity for young kids to obtain a rewarding, worthwhile and good paying job without burying themselves in school debt. There ya go. And no, you don't inflame anyone or anything, you just pontificate after in depth conversations with...how many people in PA Joey, about the Fracking? So much for all of your research.

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joew

Jan-08-14 7:40 PM

Not perfect by any stretch but I do not try to inflame people with statements that have no basis or are based on conjecture when a simple phone call would prove otherwise.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 4:37 PM

By the way, Joey, your supposed attendance at the upcoming Lakeshore Hospital demonstration in support of keeping it open is a bit much, don't you think? All you've done is bad mouth each and every effort I've made to keep it an active issue in these pages. I might add that Senator Young's statement, the one that Mr. Lanski took such umbrage over, was pretty much what I've been saying all along. You know, all that stuff you said I was lying about.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 4:24 PM

Darkstar, Joey is perfect, just ask him.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 4:24 PM

The difference3 between Joey and I is, I make mistakes sometimes, Joey just lies. Hey Joey, do you belong to a certain Medical group of Dr.'s? If so, try changing to another in that GROUP. That is the ONE issue you keep harping on. Go ahead, Joey, give it a shot. Or, heck, you're the big investigator, make some inquiries, when you're not too busy milking the system you so profess to despise.

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joew

Jan-08-14 3:28 PM

Of course I've made mistakes DarkStar but he put it out as fact! A simple call to the NYS licensing folks,as I did,could have/would have prevented the inaccurate statement! Didn't even differentiate between LPN and RN did he?

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DarkStar

Jan-08-14 3:10 PM

joew,

So you've never made a mistake, or wrong assumption in your life?

Sorry but I think you're blowing this out of proportion. While he was mistaken about the law being passed it has been being pushed and for some of the same reasons he listed.

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joew

Jan-08-14 3:01 PM

Christopher again posts inaccurate info and then tries to pass it off as I assumed! Next thing you know it will be justified as a rumor or unintended conjecture!Remember these two words! "BS"!

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DarkStar

Jan-08-14 12:45 PM

When it comes to actual patient care there is no difference between 2, 3 and 4 year RN program nurses.

The skill base of nurses, once working, has far more to do with where they work, in both hospital type and unit within the hospital, then the length of their degree program.

A two year nurse with 4 years ER or ICU experience will likely be far more skilled then a 4 year program nurse that who works for 4 years on a med/surg floor.

Nursing school teaches you the basics, it's the experience in the profession that makes someone a skilled nurse.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 11:28 AM

Oh, and Dcronk, yes, the push by those with Bachelors Degrees to require a Bachelors for all was clearly based on promotional opportunities and MONEY. No, it was NOT a "conspiracy theory", it was fact, and also included a bit of snobbery. I might add that I worked with more than a few LPN's who were as good as most RN's at most tasks, based again, on their experience.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 11:25 AM

I just checked again myself, the Bill requiring the Bachelors degree didn't pass in 2013, although it was assumed it would. A huge Nursing shortage stopped it. In my line of work, the difference between most Nurses relative to skills had little to do with what kind of degree they had and everything to do with their experience. The 2 year RN's were as good or better than any with a bachelors. I might add, they all have to take the same licensing exams. I agree that a Bachelors is necessary for some promotions or advanced degrees, and in SOME cases might even be justified. Anyway, I was actually very happy to hear that the Bill died in committee! I wasn't sure, being retired what had happened. The state actually made a smart move for a change.

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DKexpat

Jan-08-14 11:11 AM

I just checked the pertinent NYS Education Department regs – BS/BA not required for RN licensing.

Now, do nurses with a BS “turn down their noses” at those with an associate degree? Maybe. Does a BS have a better career path to specialized nursing fields? Probably. Do you need the BS before the MS and, say, becoming a Nurse Practioner? Yes.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 11:04 AM

I worked in a healthcare facility for decades. The nurses with Bachelors degrees were ALWAYS trying to make that the rule, they hated the 2 and 3 year programs. I could be wrong, but I do believe they finally got their way.

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Dcronlg

Jan-08-14 10:31 AM

Christuufuu -- really? A conspiracy theory with nursing??

Not sure how fellow nurses with years of leadership experience in health care are asking for tougher education standards for new entrants, given how increasing complex and rapidly-changing medicine has become.

If Bachelor degrees are the minimum educational standards are be required for all sorts of professional areas, then why shouldn't nursing require BAs/BSs when supporting the more highly educated MDs??

You're better than to fall for the folly of conspiracy theories...

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DarkStar

Jan-08-14 8:19 AM

Christopher,

When did this happen? Last I knew RN's only required an associates degree.

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Christopher

Jan-08-14 7:28 AM

Is anyone aware that NYS, responding to pressure from the state nursing organization, now requires a bachelors degree for a Nursing license? It's really a blatant effort to reduce the size of the pool, therefore raising the salary!

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