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Meeting set with potential buyers of County Home

January 24, 2014

New Chautauqua County legislators have a major decision to make....

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badnewsbear

Jan-27-14 4:27 PM

DK, you're right, while from comments on other topics, we seem to agree on many things, but this will never be one of them. As far as the VA goes, it does not fall under healthcare, it is a cost that falls under defense of our nation, as it is to take care of our military who have sacrificed for the country. As I've stated previously, defense is a legitimate function of government. To your points on Medicare and Medicaid, you're right, I feel that neither of these should have been functions of our government, as it was designed by the founders. Unfortunately, it is so entrenched that it would be nearly impossible to unwind and replace with anything outside of the government, whereas, the county home is a relatively easy exit. It's a matter of picking your battles and, especially in today's age of over-dependency, those programs will never be changed.

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DKexpat

Jan-27-14 3:01 PM

We’ll continue to disagree. If the government can be involved in healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid – underwritten by taxpayers – why can’t local taxpayers use local dollars to support local residents of the CCH? And if government shouldn’t be involved in nursing homes, should we close all the Veterans Hospitals?

I think Chau Cy needs to “take care of its own,” especially long-time residents of the county who, through no fault of their own, find themselves infirm and in need of help. If they go on Medicaid, they lose their homes (as did my neighbors when I was a teen). What more do you want from them?

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badnewsbear

Jan-27-14 9:55 AM

*be involved. Period.

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badnewsbear

Jan-27-14 9:53 AM

DK, that's typical nonsense with all of the "NeoCon" and "brainwashed" BS. I never claimed this had anything to do with O-care. What I said is that they should not be involved in healthcare, which owning a nursing home is. Again, you make assumptions that I'm for only what benefits me and that's a load of crap. What I'm for is what the founder's of this country intended, nothing more, nothing less, which is limited government. These folks would get no less care if the home were not owned by the county. And, to my original point, if the government had not overstepped it's function many, many years ago, we wouldn't be arguing about this as no one would ever expect the government to take care of them. Bottom line is that there are many generous people and anyone who feels that strongly about it is free to give all they want to help out a cause. It simply should not be mandated or implemented by a government agency. You can call me all you want, gov't shouldn't

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DKexpat

Jan-27-14 8:54 AM

Badness, are really so neocon-brainwashed that the only things government should be involved in are the things that benefit YOU? The CCH has nothing to do with Obamacare and nothing to do with the radical Left AND Right dividing our country today. It’s LOCAL people helping to take care of LOCAL people.

Maybe we should do away with Medicare while we're at it - just another government scam, right?

P.S. You don’t know me either, and my wife and I give 10% of our income every year to our church and charities of our choice. We just think any taxpayer with a heart would not begrudge a few bucks a year to help seniors who spent their lives also paying taxes and now need help.

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badnewsbear

Jan-26-14 11:23 PM

DK, do you really have to work at it to be that dense? There is nothing inconsistent about my position. Government has many legitimate functions, but healthcare is not one of them. It's that simple. Defense, public safety and a limited number of other areas are the only thing they should be involved in. Everything else should be handled through the free market. And then, people can decide for themselves where to allocate their giving. Now you're starting to sound like our not-so-genius in chief and his ridiculous "you didn't build that" idiocy. And it's nothing but naïveté and scaremongering to say that these people would not be cared for if the government wasn't involved. Give me a break.

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DKexpat

Jan-26-14 8:43 PM

Bad snooze...I assume you'll never collect Social Security or use Medicaid, or even drive on the Thruway or use the local water system or the Fredonia-Stockton Road.

Want the government out of that as well? Oh, wait - you use or will use those, so that government involvement is okay.

Nice of you to be both inconsistent and sanctimonious,,,

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badnewsbear

Jan-26-14 8:22 PM

DK, give it up. You don't know me. My wife and I give thousands of dollars a year to charities of OUR CHOICE. I have a real problem with our government being involved where it shouldn't be and it has nothing to do with being heartless or not wanting people being taken care of. I want them taken care of as much as anyone, but it is not the role of government to do so. So take your self righteous BS and shove it!

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DKexpat

Jan-25-14 11:02 PM

Badnews, your callous disregard for seniors who need our help is disgusting.

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unclemiltie

Jan-25-14 11:48 AM

The county home is a service to provide for our county residents and should be kept open for those less fortunate to have a place to go when needed. To all of which i sugesst hiiring an independant managment company to "run" the county home keeping it as a county asset these healthcare managment groups must exist. One of the problems relayed to me about operating the home was pharmacutical costs, how could an independant pharmacy open in fredonia without being somehow connected to a buying group why couldn't the home be part of the same type of thing. But I admit I know nothing about running a nursing home but I would be willing to bet none of our legislators do either (at least hands on). So explore all options before losing something good for the area.

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badnewsbear

Jan-25-14 10:57 AM

DK, your comments, and subtext, are absolutely ignorant and ridiculous. This has nothing to do with selfishness, or any other nonsense, it simply what is right and what is wrong. The government being involved in any of these areas is wrong. Period. Frankly, if the government had never overreached its intended functions and created this dependency, it wouldn't be an issue now.

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Joshy83

Jan-24-14 9:49 PM

Grew up in Dunkirk and now I might lose a job in the only place that's hiring nurses in the area without a 40+ minute drive. Guess I'll be moving out of state like everyone else who gets a great healthcare education in NYS and leaves. I personally would like to see where my tax dollars go to since I might not be able to pay them soon!

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CadeFoster

Jan-24-14 8:47 PM

Steiner completely lost it, in the post "Helping with hair" about his wonderful insult on a young gril with cancer.

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joew

Jan-24-14 8:21 PM

Concerned I'd say that was pretty much the case by looking at the results of Nov's election.

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concerned

Jan-24-14 7:31 PM

I still say this should be put up for a vote by the public majority rules and put this issue to bed once and for all!

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joew

Jan-24-14 6:49 PM

The CGR report does not support that people will be displaced.(historical data)The 181% increase in employee benefits(CGR report again) in the 10 years leading up to 2010(and climbing) is unsustainable anyway you look at it. Seems the Lutheran home in Jamestown is doing well? This is not Virginia as you are well aware and the dwindling tax base here can not continue to support those kinds of increases. I don't care to bust unions,just pointing out that fiscally we can't afford it any longer. I'm over 70 myself but I know when to say we can't afford to continue down this path.

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DKexpat

Jan-24-14 6:24 PM

“The issue is the unsustainable rise in employee benefits especially health care and pension costs.”

Joe, you and I usually agree on a variety of topics. So how about busting the union and paying the prevailing private sector rate Or doesn’t NYS law let the CCL do that? (If it does, what’s been stopping them?) And what about all the other union jobs in the county and their in-the-red departments?

If the Home becomes "paying customers first," then granny’s friends, same age bracket but still mobile, won’t be able to drive to Hamburg (or wherever) to visit, isolating seniors even more.

Again, I’m non-union and oppose things like tenure and other job protectionism, but the resentment of what CCH employees earn overshadows the Home’s benefit to the seniors of the community. (My 2 cents, unadjusted for inflation.)

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joew

Jan-24-14 6:09 PM

Look no one is advocating dumping granny over the cliff. Regardless of who operates the home our seniors will be taken care of! Some of the ex county homes have actually expanded and provided services that the county owned homes are forbidden to do.The issue is the unsustainable rise in employee benefits especially health care and pension costs. There has not been a corresponding increase in the quality of care given the tremendous increase in personnel costs per patient bed!

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DKexpat

Jan-24-14 5:56 PM

“But we need the police, so I don’t care if they cost taxpayers millions and millions!” Subtext: “I don’t care about the elderly and infirm because those lollygaggers don’t merit my help. Out of sight, out of mind!”

“But we need the highway department so I can get around and get to work!” Subtext: I could give two hoots that CCHers paid taxes all those years to build and maintain those roads – they don’t use ‘em now!”

“The government shouldn’t be in healthcare.” Subtext: “I know I’ll never need or use Medicare. Ha, ha, just kidding!”

“I’m not selfish, I’m just trying to save on taxes!” No subtext required: Yes, you most certainly are . . .

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badnewsbear

Jan-24-14 5:48 PM

Sorry Caregiver, but that's the problem. This isn't an argument over opinion, this is an argument over history. People have forgotten history and that is why our government is out of control and involved in all of these areas where they shouldn't be. It is exactly this argument that allows the government to continue growing and intruding into every single aspect of our personal lives. As the old saying goes, those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately, this country is well on it's way to making that mistake and states like NY and CA are leading the charge.

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DKexpat

Jan-24-14 5:33 PM

I see some “sellers” who think property taxes will go down . . . are the same ones who want MORE overhead by railing against consolidating schools to save on school taxes. Inconsistent, no?

I wonder how much is “Who cares who mismanaged the place – I don’t.” I wonder how much is union busting and “Who cares what happens after that.” (I am non-union.) And I really wonder how much is callous indifference about vulnerable seniors because “I know I’ll never get old or need care.”

If you feel there’s no moral imperative to help seniors at their greatest time of need, shame on you. Really. Many CCH residents are life-long county taxpayers. After 50-60-70 years of taxpaying, if now you can’t afford a few bucks a year to help them back, shame on you. (Go pay your DISH or cable bill instead and feel good about yourself.)

But please be consistent – speak up just as loudly to sell every single county-owned asset that doesn’t break even, every single one.

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caregiver

Jan-24-14 5:06 PM

sorry badnewsbear but it is only your opinion and you are entitled to it but if you see my opinion as wrong then yours is wrong as well simply because i don't agree with you. But it doesn't matter anyway...at least not to me. You and I could sit here an challenge each other with facts, with opinions, with whatever and in the end you see it your way and i see it mine. Our local gov't is a joke at best and for some reason they've chosen to make the County Home the punch line.

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badnewsbear

Jan-24-14 3:39 PM

whether or not you believe that gov't should take care of the people it governs" And this is one of the most dangerous statements there is. The government is not there to "take care of" anyone. This is exactly why we are becoming a dependent society and the government is gaining more and more power. Precisely opposite of the principles that this country was founded on.

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badnewsbear

Jan-24-14 3:30 PM

Wrong Captain & Caregiver, if they want to be included, then they go to the VA. The VA is a part of maintaining and taking care of our military, which is what the government is supposed to do. General healthcare and elderly care in no way ever has been nor should it ever be a part of government in this country. This isn't an opinion, study the development of our government. In no way was this ever intended to be the case.

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Captain

Jan-24-14 2:55 PM

well said, caregiver.

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