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County: Jobs debate is meaningless

January 27, 2014

We had hoped discussions of the degree to which Chautauqua County’s economy is struggling would have ended in November. Apparently, we were wrong....

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CadeFoster

Jan-31-14 11:48 PM

And I wonder who would get the blame when the Saturn plant shut down, if they did come here. As it did in springhill.

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CadeFoster

Jan-31-14 8:15 PM

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PhilJulian

Jan-31-14 10:58 AM

That's "devastating impact".

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PhilJulian

Jan-31-14 10:57 AM

When the Washington Tax Foundation identified Chautauqua county as one of the highest taxed counties in the entire country it should have served as a wake-up call. Of course our politicians ignored the bad news. The county and it's two cities are all losing population - another wake-up call that our leaders are ignoring. The fact is that no one want to do business here because we have a hostile business environment. Until we get leaders who understand the devasting impact of too much government and excessive taxes there will be no improvement in the economy. We will continue to lose employers. Our children and grandchildren will continue to leave for greener pastures. We will continue to close churches, schools and hospitals and the general quality of life will continue to deteriorate. Our leaders have proven that they will do nothing about it. There needs to be a movement from the general public to force change.

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CadeFoster

Jan-30-14 10:40 PM

One reason they did not locate here was....lack of skilled labor........go figure.

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joew

Jan-30-14 5:54 PM

People pitched a fit when Saturn was considering a plant here. Didn't want to "ruin" the area. Sure would be nice to have that plant here now wouldn't it?

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rumblefish

Jan-30-14 10:46 AM

it has been mentioned in these posts that Alco/Brooks Locomotive were pillars of employment in this area, what not brought to the light of day they also "hampered" area growth with threats of closing and leaving area every time another major industry considered coming to the area, prime example G.E. wanted to build a plant on NRG site, Alco people pitched a fit and G.E. ended up in Erie, and became an anchor of employment for that area to this day

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CadeFoster

Jan-29-14 8:06 PM

it is in the post, not as noticable though. "but prefer not to pay the prices asked for by private facilities. " the price range they gave was insstead of $65 or $75, it would be $40 or $45 a day,

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CadeFoster

Jan-29-14 5:29 PM

Sorry can not find anything on reduced rates or free lodging at taxpayers expence for military personel.

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joew

Jan-29-14 2:20 PM

Oh Cade you forgot to mention that there is a fee for using the campgrounds.

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joew

Jan-29-14 12:33 PM

Thanks for the info Cade that you provided which is true. Can you as well check into the FREE rooms(lodging)and the subsidized PX/BX/NEX at TAX PAYER EXPENSE lies that pauly talks about? Thank you.

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CadeFoster

Jan-29-14 10:17 AM

Located on military bases, military campgrounds provide an option for many people who want to camp in beautiful areas, but prefer not to pay the prices asked for by private facilities. Military campgrounds are restricted to career and retired military, disabled veterans, Department of Defense workers, and various others connected to active service and their guests. Unfortunately, the average soldier who served a short enlistment is not allowed to use the facilities unless invited as a guest. Each campground has slightly different criteria so always check first before you go.

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joew

Jan-29-14 9:17 AM

Pauly do you have difficulty admitting you were wrong? Why do you keep up with the lies about FREE rooms at military bases,why? Saved big is one more of your lies. Anyone can log onto AAFESdotcom (the PX)and look for yourself at the cost of products.(you can't purchase however) Why don't you do that pauly and report back on all the BIG savings compared to our local merchants. Your other lie about taxpayers subsidizing the PX and the "FREE" rooms is so you,conjecture at it's pinnacle! These are the issues you accused me of pauly and you can not prove a one of them can you? Get these accusations out of the way and then we'll discuss your attempt to pull something not relevant into it.

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localresident

Jan-29-14 12:39 AM

Frb, the ONLY people who don't want school mergers to happen the way they should are the people that are directly affected by those mergers. The admin staff, the faculty, anybody working for any district considering merging will fight tooth and nail against it. Misinformation, exaggerated stats, propaganda, etc are their toos of the trade, along with pulling heart strings of parents with the doomsday predictions about how any merger of any sort will end badly. Tell taxpayers how a merger will realistically benefit them, and they will never resist. It's the staff paranoia that undermines every merger.

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Christopher

Jan-28-14 11:09 PM

Retired Miltary personnel and those with 100% disabilities can stay at any base in the country for free, Joey baby, I know people who do it. I also know people who save big money, and even purposely live by, Military bases to shop. And of course once again you refuse to discuss the irony and hypocrisy of your ongoing and continuous rants about public employees when in fact you were one and enjoy the retirement benefits thereof. Nice dodge there sonny, but you're lying again.

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PhilJulian

Jan-28-14 2:03 PM

commentor - My point is that welfare is a government function. Yes - it needs to be reduced.

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Captain

Jan-28-14 10:54 AM

You're right, commentor, and state lawmakers are even worse! It's NOT about what needs to be done, it's how lawmakers vote, based solely on what's best for their political careers. In the meantime, local pols keep cutting local services (CCH), w/the public's blessings, making this area less attractive to live due to the negative consequences that such decisions bring. Self-serving pols are definitely to blame, but the public is too. It predictably reacts to lawmakers' failure to pass welfare reform by pressuring local reps to cut services, regardless of whether they're worthy or not. This enables state lawmakers to avoid taking action that may hurt them politically, and why not, it continues to work perfectly.

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commentor

Jan-28-14 10:18 AM

Phil this isn't the 1900's. Step into the future. Until they address welfare and medicaid it will only get worse. As for Legislators having meaningless debates that is all they ever do, year after after year after year.

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Frb002

Jan-28-14 10:01 AM

Since 1986, we have been struggling with severe job loss and underemployment. There have been plenty of politicians in office since, Mr. Larson is now getting a second kick at the can, having not solved this issue the first time. The finger pointing goes on. It is also apparent that most citizens in this county do not want to consolidate, why I don't know. Just look at merger votes for schools. Until there is a groundswell for change, we have what we have. After every election I hope for a fresh voice with fresh ideas that will be implemented. I have waited since 1986.

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PhilJulian

Jan-28-14 9:08 AM

CARLAW - welfare is a government run program and it has become a reasonable alternative to working for a living.

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DarkStar

Jan-28-14 8:20 AM

judeye,

Nice way to avoid the point, I said only cash handouts are counted when it comes to calculating someone's income.

I've seen estimates that said one would need to make at least $45,000 a year to equal what a NYS welfare recipient is handed by the various layers of government.

The question isn't how many get cash assistance in Chautauqua County, since there are far more welfare program with far more "value" then the cash assistance.

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joew

Jan-28-14 8:15 AM

Pauly again you spread your lies. There is NO free lodging/rooms for retired military personnel on ANY military base period!(don't confuse my saying period with Obama)Anyone with any doubts please call any of the following numbers and ask about free lodging/rooms at any base-Fort Drum Inn(315)773-7777,Navy Lodge Reservations(800)628-9466,Joint Base Andrews(Andrews AFB)(301)981-4614. The PX/BX/NEX system stores are NOT subsidized by taxpayers in any way shape or form. That is another lie Pauly. They are funded by the sale of products just like any other retailer.Their employees are not government employees either. If you think the prices are "cut rate" I suggest you look at those prices as they are usually higher than off base retailers. That is lie # 3 Pauly. Nice try! Why is it you need to continue the lies pauly? I guess you have to in order to keep your groupies fired up right?

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judeye

Jan-28-14 7:56 AM

How many businesses here closed due to the high taxes? Can you name them?

Now I can easily name those companies who closed due to overseas competition. I bet some of you even worked at many of them. they were some of the highest paid jobs in our area. Closed their doors..NOT due to our taxes, not due to our government, but due to OVERSEAS competition..thank you NAFTA.

by the way..anyone concerned with the TransPacific Trade Agreement? Ya know..NAFTA on steroids.

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judeye

Jan-28-14 7:47 AM

DarkStar...oh so if we ONLY include those who receive CASH..you know that number is only about 2,000 people in our entire County.

Not very many at all when you consider many of those individuals are disabled (you all do know that you have to wait 6 months AFTER you have been determined disabled,,what do you live on during those six months?), seniors (not old enough to collect ss, but no longer can work), and children.

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Christopher

Jan-28-14 6:29 AM

Joey, joey, joey, you know as well as I do that as a retired Military personell you have the right to shop on any base at cut rate prices, cut rate due to tax support, and to stay at said bases for free as you travel, those rooms maintained by public money, i.e. taxes. You disrespect public employees all the time, and complain about their pay and benefits all the while enjoying those same benefits as a retired Military personnel. So, show me where I've lied there Joey baby? You can't. It's all true and you know it. I'm not complaining about what you get Joey, I'm complaining because you say you deserve yours but apparently nobody else does. Not only are you a liar, but a hypocrite.

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