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Growing pains

Sen. Schumer calls for disaster assistance for grape farmers

February 18, 2014

PORTLAND — Area wine grape growers are bracing for a severely damaged crop this year, resulting in New York state’s senior senator to call upon the U.S....

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CadeFoster

Feb-19-14 10:40 PM

ya know super clown , for someone who claims to be so smart you really are stupid. its winter, no wonder it cold outside. I notice you didnt mention Russia and there winter season going on now with 50 degree weather daily. Tea bagger clown knows nothing of real world actions.

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CadeFoster

Feb-19-14 11:19 AM

It is happening isn such away as never seen in history. No one care about the slow burn because they feel they can stop today. Truth is it maybe to late already. Everyone think global warming is a 50 degree jump to show global warming. When in fact it is a very small rise in temp that makes a huge difference. Ever hear the frog in a pot story. put frog in pot of cool water, turn on the fire underneath, the frog will sit there till it dies, take a frog and put it in hot water and it will do anything it can to get out. Slow death is easier to take for most, than reacting to stop death of the earth for our future children. SO just because you diagree with 98% does not make it not real !

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PR24601

Feb-19-14 9:24 AM

Oh my god judeye, seriously, listen to yourself. You sound like an uneducated granny spouting off what she heard on that there TV over there.

98% of climate scientists say climate change is real. No freaking kidding. I'm actually worried about the 2% that haven't signed on, since the climate has been changing for a gazillion years and isn't likely to stop anytime soon.

The problem is - the climate is going to change whether we want it to or not. We have no power over that. The Earth is going to do its thing regardless of what we want.

Oh my god sound the alarm! Climate change is happening! Oh no! I believe the popular saying a few years back (when they were predicting an ice age) was "no sh** Sherlock".

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judeye

Feb-19-14 7:38 AM

Steiner "if the planet is so warm, where did all the cold air arise from."

I suggest you just google it. There are numerous articles that explain what is going on. Most of it is exactly what climate scientists have long predicted.

You might want to watch the video The Arctic is Drunk for a very simple, easy to understand explanation of the cooling and warming of our atmosphere.

Climate Change is real. There is much scientific data and research and evidence that backs it up. The vast majority..98%...of all climate scientists agree that climate change is happening and we humans are greatly the cause.

Now we must not waste more time on this basic FACT. It is time we start to address the issues and problems that will come with changes to our environment, such as changes in weather, rise in sea levels, increase in floods and droughts, etc. That is where our energy and creativity must be placed. Not on presenting facts and discussing science with people who just refuse

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Slim4tw

Feb-18-14 11:05 PM

Ok some things need to be explained I am knowledgeable about viticulture from 30 years working with grapes. 1. The grape crop for this fall was created during the 2013 growing period the buds that were created house the shoot and the clusters that will bloom during the spring and set the actual grapes. 2. You can determine the bud kill by cutting in to the bud and see if it is still alive or dead and in some case you can even see the clusters. 3. Most of the bud kill that people are seeing is on "wine grapes" these are vinifera varieties that originated in Europe and other old world locations. The Concord which is a Labrusca "American originated variety" so far appears to have an average bud kill these grapes are normally more winter hardy. 4. The bud kill is not a horrible problem, the farmer will lose any crop for the year but the vine should survive until the next year, the real problem happens when the trunk is damaged and the vine needs to be replaced.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 10:23 PM

by the way super clown, if you would take time to read the story,they show a photo of exactly how much has melted. probaly to much info for you to comprehend though. --------10000 patents ,lol,lol,lol,lol

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 9:43 PM

Super Clown also bragging he has 10000 patents now also,lol............World record holder Shunpei Yamazaki (Japan), president of Semiconductor Energy Laboratory Co. Ltd (Japan), holds a total of 6,314 patents as of 10 March 2011. ------ So Narcissistic Steiner did you aplly for 10, yes countem TEN patents a day since march 2011 ? LOL, you need help.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 9:40 PM

dear pathtic steiner,how is it you claim i did a turn around again, you and your twisted pea brain just dont have a clue do you? how is it cold out? really a super mind like yours asks were the cold air comes from in the winter seasons. no turn around again. someone said the oceans are cooling, i posted 2 articles online this week pertaining to actual temps that show oceans are warming. so crawl back in your jungle jim a read another See dick run book.

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DKexpat

Feb-18-14 8:35 PM

Oh, please Steiner. A "scientist"(?) of your renown should know geologic time is measured in millions of years, not blinks of the eye.

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Steiner

Feb-18-14 8:00 PM

cade and dk are like the early scientists who did not believe in bacteria. they would not even look in a mircoscope to see the bugs. the experts said there was NO need for asntiseptic technique in medicine. Another delay by the experts who believed only what they could see with their eyes. Like the liberals and co2. stupidity is eternal.

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Steiner

Feb-18-14 7:41 PM

cade does another about face. first it was co2 and tyndall and a host of other nonsense. now it is melting arctic ice. hey cade, if the planet is so warm, where did all the cold air arise from. this will be hard for cade and dk to understand. heat as nature works it, is something outside the newtonian world. It is in another dimension. since cade and dk only know 3d, hades even electricity has a non material component to it, well, we will have ignorance fostered by the liberals and their teachers.its hard to think aint it cade and dk . Oh, those wooly mammoths frozen in russia . something froze them intact and fast. i read where even their stomach contents were analyzed. uhoh, analytical chemistry again.

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Steiner

Feb-18-14 7:34 PM

dk is sounding like cade foster now. you cant take a few years or a season and extrapolate. Well thats how we got the big bang theory. they just extraplolated what they see and went back billions of years. that is called scientific to the know nothings of strong force and what it does.dk, you did not grasp what the physicists are saying, 96 % of the universe is unobservable. following your line of logic, we would not know of the EM spectrum or, try and grasp this if you can, the strong force spectrum. You and cade keep falling into the same trap. Making conclusions on limited data. there was and is no such thing as the big bang. It is a fairytale in the minds of scientists, ignorant of dark matter, strong force , quintesence .there are plenty of anomalies in nature if you have the mind to look. cade and dk dont.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 7:07 PM

posted 3 hours ago ==== "Melting Ice Makes The Arctic A Much Worse Heat-Magnet Than Scientists Feared"

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 6:39 PM

you dont need to see them drop off to know how many are bad. They can take any runners and cut into the buds, if its black inside it is dead. then do and average across the board to determine the extent of damage to the crop.

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Mason1

Feb-18-14 6:12 PM

Am I missing something? The buds haven't even poped yet and the growers are already declairing a bad season? I say wait until the crop can be assessed better. Too early to cry poverty.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 5:26 PM

yahoo today "Study: Arctic getting darker, making Earth warmer"

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 4:23 PM

to CADEFOSTER: Oceans are NOT warming as you claim. Just go to google and type in "oceans cooling" to see the consensus from a variety of sources that oceans are in fact cooling.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 3:04 PM

The next ice age is predicted to be about 1200 to 1300 years away. Very consistant thoughout history. It has to do with the axis of the earth and the position around the sun. It was just on the science channel 3 or 4 weeks ago. We are suppose to be going into and iceage, but the oceans are doing the opposite right now.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 2:59 PM

meanwhile the oceans are warming up. less ice pack and most of the old ice pack is gone. Via "Arctic Sea Ice Melt Season Getting Longer"

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 2:07 PM

Yes, lower than normal great lakes temps this summer because of the historical unprecedented ice build up on the lakes because it will take all that much longer to melt and thus result in cooler lake temps in the warmer months.- resulting in climate effect for these regions. Again, this is an example of a the deficit effect as ice ages develop. Because the lakes will be cooler this summer and fall it will be that much easier for the lakes to freeze earlier than normal come winter resulting in more ice build up the next year. This effect repeats itself every year with a consecutive compounding effect. The Observer will not let you link on their forum so I will phonetically spell out the website where you can read upon this which is iceagenowDOTinfo

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PR24601

Feb-18-14 1:46 PM

FourthTurning - do you mean lower lake temps than normal? Interesting posts. God forbid a scientist doesn't fall lock-step with the man-made global warming fear-monger crowd.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:38 PM

Sorry, don't know why it posted twice, but I was wrong anyway, it was a $299,999 grant.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:19 PM

This is ridiculous. This guy got a $200,000 grant to start this business, and is now going to get bailed out by the government? This is what they sell crop insurance for. It is not the job of the federal govt to give out money to private businesses.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:19 PM

This is ridiculous. This guy got a $200,000 grant to start this business, and is now going to get bailed out by the government? This is what they sell crop insurance for. It is not the job of the federal govt to give out money to private businesses.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 12:57 PM

Because this is the first time in recorded history that All the Great Lakes have totally frozen over, scientists are predicting what they are call "A Refrigerator Effect" come spring and summer for the great regions as the the unprecedented ice takes that much longer to melt and recede, causing much higher lake temperatures than normal. This will also have negative impacts on our whether and agriculture in these regions. Again an example of the deficit effect with the onset of ice ages.

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