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Growing pains

Sen. Schumer calls for disaster assistance for grape farmers

February 18, 2014

PORTLAND — Area wine grape growers are bracing for a severely damaged crop this year, resulting in New York state’s senior senator to call upon the U.S....

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225522

Feb-18-14 7:31 AM

Another blow to the economy. I understand NYS just OK'D making HARD CIDER legal to make and sell. Perhaps this could compliment the grape/wine production in the area. We can and do have a lot apples. I'll just bet some folks already know how to make HARD CIDER too !!!

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rosebud

Feb-18-14 7:56 AM

I'm in my 70's & as I recall, farmer's are always crying all the way to the BANK !!! Talk about Welfare in NY State.

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PR24601

Feb-18-14 8:42 AM

Hardly rosebud. And farming grapes for wine is not even close to the kind of farming you're talking about. Because of the federal government price points on their products, farmers are in constant need of assistance. So, as far as your welfare comment, yeah - we are all recipients of a little bit of "welfare" since they won't allow farmers to price their wares on a free market basis. It keeps the cost of a gallon of milk at 3.xx for you. Problem is, it costs the farmers so much to operate that they need assistance to provide it.

Regarding the grapes.. yes this is a big blow. WNY aren't that good IMO though. For those that want it, you might have to pay through the nose for a bottle. Oh well.

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PR24601

Feb-18-14 8:44 AM

IMO, WNY *wines aren't that good. Missed a key word there.

Although I don't care for the product, I am concerned about the businesses and the employees.

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Steiner

Feb-18-14 9:06 AM

Aint global warming great ? Who would have thought we would have so much cold and snow when the planet gets warmer ? those libs sure are smart. just the other day Dunkirk was 16 below zero. Thats warm ! snow and cold and the planet says obama is getting armer. we sure see the science knowledge of the libs. No wonders eli whitney had to invent the cotton gin for the southern democrats. they thought hand power was great !sorting those cotton seeds by hand ! green energy you know.

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DKexpat

Feb-18-14 9:37 AM

Um, anyone with knowledge/understanding of geologic time knows that seasonal variation isn’t even a blink of an eye in re global warming.

Using a single season as the sample size is like saying if Derek Jeter goes 3 for 4 on opening day with 2 homeruns, he’ll hit .750 and 324 homeruns for the season.

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joew

Feb-18-14 9:57 AM

Several times in the history of the earth huge sheets of ice, or glaciers, covered large portions of its continents. The most recent episode of glaciation, the Pleistocene epoch, is commonly referred to as the Ice Age and began approximately 1.6 million years ago. During that time there were a number of advances and retreats of the glaciers, which are termed glacial and interglacial stages, respectively. The glaciers of Greenland and Antarctica are remnants of the last glacial advance, and we presently live in an interglacial stage termed the Holocene epoch. With the end of the Pleistocene (and the beginning of the Holocene) about 11,000 years ago, the Ice Age ended in name only. It is very likely that the earth will experience another glacial advance, perhaps in the next 10,000 to 20,000 years, and that the glacial/interglacial cycles will continue. Geologic history shows, however, that ice ages eventually come to a complete end and do not occur again for several hundred million year

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PR24601

Feb-18-14 10:01 AM

DK, neither is 100 years. joew, great post.

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killers

Feb-18-14 10:28 AM

When nature does damage we have to provide assistance, but when nature is good we do not receive anything back. Shouldn't it be the farmers responsibility to weather the bad times and reap the benefits of the good. Maybe, next year if it is a good year the farmers can issue every one a credit slip for the hand out they got this year.

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DKexpat

Feb-18-14 11:05 AM

PR24601, joew, that was exactly my point. To take a season or a year and try to infer climate change (plus or minus) from it is a specious argument.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 12:07 PM

I know this may sound crazy, but everyone needs to consider moving southwest as we are now at the very very very end of the most recent interglacial or warming period that separate the ice ages. Ice ages last 70,000 years and are separated by 15,000 years of warming. Even in the 1970's scientists said we were are borrowed time as the geological record proved. Also add in the other astro-solar iceage trigger events - the precession of the equinoxes and prehistoric low solar maximums and the rest is history. We are undergoing both of these as well. The geological record never lies and we are the precipice of the next major ice age. a full blown ice age only tales 3-20 years to develop. In the meantime your growing seasons will contact by a few days each year during this period having severe effects on the food supply which creates a deficit situation that will build upon itself with flora, fauna, livestock etc. You can read all about this subject at iceagenowdotinfo

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 12:41 PM

The 3000 plus foot ice sheets that even covered western new york will take take centuries to develop, but the other extremes that characterize an iceage can develop within a decade making any area almost uninhabitable like what happened in Greenland. Many non-political"agendaless" scientists from Russia and Europe characterize an era of cooling (either mini iceage or major iceage) - not warming.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 12:50 PM

What is happening to the grape partial killoff is indicative of the deficit situation with flora and fauna with the onset of iceages. Maybe geology is wrong and this winter is just a severe aberration. But let's say it's not. Let's assume that just 30 percent of the grape vines have sustained irreparable damage so you can see how one more winter like this next year will compound and build on the deficit and the effects of all similar agriculture in the food chain. Greenland all over again.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 12:57 PM

Because this is the first time in recorded history that All the Great Lakes have totally frozen over, scientists are predicting what they are call "A Refrigerator Effect" come spring and summer for the great regions as the the unprecedented ice takes that much longer to melt and recede, causing much higher lake temperatures than normal. This will also have negative impacts on our whether and agriculture in these regions. Again an example of the deficit effect with the onset of ice ages.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:19 PM

This is ridiculous. This guy got a $200,000 grant to start this business, and is now going to get bailed out by the government? This is what they sell crop insurance for. It is not the job of the federal govt to give out money to private businesses.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:19 PM

This is ridiculous. This guy got a $200,000 grant to start this business, and is now going to get bailed out by the government? This is what they sell crop insurance for. It is not the job of the federal govt to give out money to private businesses.

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rdnewt

Feb-18-14 1:38 PM

Sorry, don't know why it posted twice, but I was wrong anyway, it was a $299,999 grant.

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PR24601

Feb-18-14 1:46 PM

FourthTurning - do you mean lower lake temps than normal? Interesting posts. God forbid a scientist doesn't fall lock-step with the man-made global warming fear-monger crowd.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 2:07 PM

Yes, lower than normal great lakes temps this summer because of the historical unprecedented ice build up on the lakes because it will take all that much longer to melt and thus result in cooler lake temps in the warmer months.- resulting in climate effect for these regions. Again, this is an example of a the deficit effect as ice ages develop. Because the lakes will be cooler this summer and fall it will be that much easier for the lakes to freeze earlier than normal come winter resulting in more ice build up the next year. This effect repeats itself every year with a consecutive compounding effect. The Observer will not let you link on their forum so I will phonetically spell out the website where you can read upon this which is iceagenowDOTinfo

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 2:59 PM

meanwhile the oceans are warming up. less ice pack and most of the old ice pack is gone. Via "Arctic Sea Ice Melt Season Getting Longer"

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 3:04 PM

The next ice age is predicted to be about 1200 to 1300 years away. Very consistant thoughout history. It has to do with the axis of the earth and the position around the sun. It was just on the science channel 3 or 4 weeks ago. We are suppose to be going into and iceage, but the oceans are doing the opposite right now.

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TheFourthTurning

Feb-18-14 4:23 PM

to CADEFOSTER: Oceans are NOT warming as you claim. Just go to google and type in "oceans cooling" to see the consensus from a variety of sources that oceans are in fact cooling.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 5:26 PM

yahoo today "Study: Arctic getting darker, making Earth warmer"

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Mason1

Feb-18-14 6:12 PM

Am I missing something? The buds haven't even poped yet and the growers are already declairing a bad season? I say wait until the crop can be assessed better. Too early to cry poverty.

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CadeFoster

Feb-18-14 6:39 PM

you dont need to see them drop off to know how many are bad. They can take any runners and cut into the buds, if its black inside it is dead. then do and average across the board to determine the extent of damage to the crop.

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