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Why this divide over County Home?

February 20, 2014

I attended a meeting at the County Home where County Executive Vince Horrigan met with residents and employees and discussed the sale of the Home. After the meeting, I asked Mr....

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 8:14 PM

Captain, what the public unions fail to recognize is "we" the taxpayers are their employers. They work for us, not the other way around. This is the exact reason FDR, and I am no big FDR fan, had the foresight to see the moral hazards of letting the public sector unionize. Before, there was always a trade off, a person took the job knowing they would be compensated less in wages, but they were afforded excellent benefits (vacation days, sick days, paid holidays) more than what the private sector received. At the end of a career, the person was given a modest pension. Now, with public unions they have kept all the benefits, exceeded the private sector in wage compensation and are awarded gold plated pension upon retirement. In the meantime, the taxpayer not seeing none of this is getting hammered paying for it.

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Captain

Feb-22-14 7:52 PM

Something definitely must be done to lower public service costs, specifically major cost-saving changes to CBAs. Lower compensation for non-union public workers must be achieved, too. Unfortunately, public unions are notorious for refusing to accept concessions, preferring instead to protect senior members by sacrificing the jobs of junior members. If ALL public workers don't see the need to change, they'll continue to bite the hand that feeds them, and the inevitable will come.

I wish mgmt & union could learn to work together and avoid the damage they're causing, but there's really no reason to believe this will happen, of course, not until it's too late.

I'm afraid you're right tjefson, the only recourse we have is to vote w/our feet, and the people causing it don't care as long as they get "theirs."

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 7:24 PM

The public employees through the years have passed the private sector in wages. The benefits they have are what most people could only dream of having. The taxpayer never would have agreed to these outrageous wages and gold plated pensions bargained for in negotiations. The corrupt public unions pay off the corrupt politicians and to h*ll with everyone else. Just who in h*ll do these people think they are!

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 7:18 PM

Captain, the #1 problem by far in this state is the Democratic/Public Union relationship. I am positive I make more than most in this area, which may be a curse. I make enough not qualify for any outside aide whatsoever. Yet, after paying my bills, insurance, gas, food, and occasional entertainment, I find my self going further into debt. I don't drink, so no money is spent there. The big change is taxes. In this area I end up paying town, village, county state and federal taxes. I seen my 401K take a huge hit. My daughter goes to school and pays the regular price for her lunch while the majority of the children qualify for a discount lunch program. I think its a quarter a day. I even end up feeding these kids breakfast with my tax dollars.

Then I see the public sector union employees start whining they may have to contribute toward their health insurance or pension plan. These have become the privileged class in our society. cont.

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Captain

Feb-22-14 4:02 PM

tjefson: if public unions have such a stranglehold on who gets elected, which I don't dispute, let's face it, aren't they merely playing the same game as every other donor who expects "favors" in return for supporting crooked pols willing to sell their votes?

Go ahead and blame the unions or any other special interest group, but NEVER blame the pols who willingly accept bribes disguised as campaign donations.

We can't get state pols to pass welfare reform, even though EVERY working man & woman begs for it, b/c doing so would hurt them politically. So what do we settle for instead? We resort to selling assets (CCH), and when they're all sold & gone, then what? All that'll be left is a state welfare system that still needs reform, no more public assets left to sell, and of course, the same crooked pols.

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 12:06 PM

Captain, the problem is the public unions have become to powerful in the state of NY. In essence, they have a stranglehold on who is elected and what choices they will make after they are elected. People are voting with their feet and leaving this area, not because we want to move, but because the decision is being forced upon us. What is plan B, when they kill the golden goose and run out of other peoples money. No one is denying these people a decent wage, but their luxuries are pounding the rest of us into the dirt.

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hogwild

Feb-22-14 12:03 PM

Mr Borrello you would sell your own mother for the right price!

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hogwild

Feb-22-14 12:03 PM

Mr Borrello you would sell your own mother for the right price!

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Captain

Feb-22-14 11:33 AM

tjef: I couldn't agree w/you more, but the answer is NOT busting unions, it's electing representatives who will pass the reforms needed to change what's obviously wrong. Put the blame where it belongs and elect people with the balls to do what they promise when campaigning.

I'm just as sick of it as you, but don't be so quick to blame the Dems cuz BOTH parties are guilty of doing whatever is politically advantageous to them. We all know what needs to be done, it's just a matter of doing it! The only thing stopping it from happening are those who can make it happen, b/c they're more concerned about getting re-elected than doing what they promised. THIS IS THE PROBLEM!!!

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 10:14 AM

Captain, the county is on a downward spiral. The only people who's standard of living is increasing is the employees in the public sector unions. They are on their way to killing the golden goose. The teachers union is so powerful, they practically run the state. This relationship has become detrimental to the way a society can healthily function. The teachers union backs the Democratic candidate, who then empowers the teachers union. This has been going on for years and it has taken its toll. We have nothing left to give. My 12 old daughter knows who works for the government by the vacations they go on. Cene has seen $37,000 in pay increases since 2008. Most people here do not even make $37,000. This guy is making over $160,000 a year. The median teachers salary in Dunkirk is $55,000 a year. To top it off the education the students are receiving is not up to par. This is totally unacceptable.

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Captain

Feb-22-14 9:45 AM

Typical mgmt mentality, forever blaming unions for their own failures. NEVER blame Edwards, Hellwig or the CCLeg, not when it's much easier to blame someone else. Collectively, it's MGMT'S duty to make sure the home runs as efficiently as possible, but b/c they're incapable, they blame the union for EVERYTHING!

Who approves CBA gains for ALL county workers? What about elected officials who OFFER improvements in exchange for their political endorsement and support at election time?

Why hasn't the CCSD been asked to reduce its $24M budget? We all know why, and everyone seems OK with it, after all, busting the CCH's union is the #1 priority.

If an employee turns out to be an unacceptable worker, it's ALWAYS the union's fault for representing him/her, never HR's fault for hiring him/her in the first place. Who's fault is it for not building a solid case to terminate poor employees?

Never let the facts get in the way of popular opinions.

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NormanC

Feb-22-14 9:43 AM

Hey George..I know you are in here..You are nothing more than a pompous Janus!!..

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NormanC

Feb-22-14 9:42 AM

Did you folks know George has over 20 employees,over 20 residents and one relative at the CCH from his district??..Yet the man runs from the truth and wants to throw the CCH to the wolves..Politician my Janus,minus the J..

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NormanC

Feb-22-14 9:33 AM

bronski..Eliminate the J from Janus..That would be more of a fitting word for King George..

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tjefson

Feb-22-14 9:14 AM

Mr. Bronski, like you, I am sick and tired of the burdensome government we have in this area at every level. I moved here about 16 years ago and have watched the situation steadily get worse. It was nice when we first moved here, but now with the declining population and the public employees demands, me and my family will be getting out of here ASAP. Try to sell a house here. It is next to impossible. Drive around and look at all the places for sale. People have had all they can take.

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bronski

Feb-22-14 7:43 AM

One more comment: WHAT IS IN IT FOR THE TAX PAYERS? HOW MUCH WILL BE SAVED ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES? The answer nothing. All the time spent on this subject and nothing has changed. You want to save money then why has the county executive and legislators not pushed to consolidate government? Dissolve all of the villages and combined police forces are a start. Oh and while your at it why are we paying Bill Daly? What has he done to improve Chautauqua county? Is he really worth $87,000 yearly salary plush benefits. The county legislators and executive are a joke. We should only have 11 legislators. What we have can not make any significant decisions and stick by them. I loved this county when I moved her 25 years ago but now there is no reason to stay. The highest tax county in the state let alone the highest taxed village because they can not get out of their own way either. Lest we feel sorry for the friends that may lose their jobs if we consolidated. What a joke!

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bronski

Feb-22-14 7:30 AM

As for GeorgeB67 you sir are what is known as Janus. Look it up. If it is good for your family then its good but anything else you throw under the bus. All the time the executive and legislature have spent on this subject and nothing has been done. GeorgeB67 - why have all of the suggestions from the report not been put into place. It has been 8 years and still nothing. I know government moves slow but really. Take a good look in your back yard and see how detrimental closing the home is going to be. Oh that's right, your family pretty much owns most of Silver Creek to the Erie county line. You have no problem with money your just arrogant and pompous. I hope your mom and dad never need to be placed in a home. Are you willing to travel to see them like the closing will force many families to do. I predict if it sells within 5 years it closes.

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bronski

Feb-22-14 7:22 AM

Hawkman411-dabegr - FYI - No county tax dollars go to support any private nursing home in Chautauqua County. Versus millions in county taxpayer dollars for the county home. Really, who do you think pays for the medicaid patients in private nursing homes? How much of a tax break does the county give them because they employ numerous people. Think before you speak if you don't have the answers.

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tjefson

Feb-21-14 5:09 PM

Mr Julian, judging from my limited experience on this board, the word respect is foreign to these people. I have often said that Dunkirk is a miniature Detroit, a self serving Democratic controlled system that has little concern for the devastating consequences of their actions.

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PhilJulian

Feb-21-14 3:29 PM

(con't) As always I respect your opinions and concerns.

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PhilJulian

Feb-21-14 3:28 PM

Jniebel - you suggest that the "south county is doing pretty well". The truth is that Jamestown and Dunkirk are both losing population and the county as a whole is losing population due to excessive taxation. You reference the loss of jobs at the home but no matter who runs the home a substantial number of employees will be necessary. I do see unions as a destructive force and if you need proof just consider the plight of Detroit. The problem is that unions make demands with no concern for the employer or source of revenue. I see the home as an opportunity for growth into a combined skilled nursing and assisted living arrangement because our population is aging. A private owner could make that happen but a government run facility will simply struggle to maintain the status-quo. given our losses of employers and population I think one thing is clear - we need to reduce the size and cost of government if we are ever to return to a mode of growth and prosperity. (con't)

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tjefson

Feb-21-14 12:35 PM

Steiner, Cronig said it is "idiotic" to bash teachers, which proved what you said to be true that taxpayers in this area are really looked at as "idiots". Cronig uses the oldest excuse in the world and thinks its the parents fault. They are getting the big bucks and passing all the blame off on the parents. I doubt they ever look in the mirror because they could not bear looking at what they have become.

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CadeFoster

Feb-21-14 9:08 AM

More info for SuperClown and his ignorant remark about winter in the norhtern hemisphere so where is global warming---------well here is your answer Clowner with 10000 patents,lol,lol ------------ via National Climatic Data Center - NOAA - actual figuges not predictions, real numbers clowner. ----"The Northern Hemisphere snow cover extent (SCE) during January 2014 was 46.03 million square km (17.77 million square miles), which was 840,000 square km (330,000 square miles) below the 1981-2010 average. This was the 10th smallest January SCE on record for the Northern Hemisphere and the smallest since 2007. This is also the first January since 2007 that the Northern Hemisphere SCE was below the 1981-2010 average. Both North America and Eurasia had below-average January SCE" --------- But Super Clown Steiner wont know this because you looks out his window and says hey its cold out ,!!!!!!!!! lol Super Clowner the Fake at it again. "ncdc noaa gov/sotc/global-snow/2014/1

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judeye

Feb-21-14 8:23 AM

I see NO one has responded to where all the millions in loss is coming from.

Please show me..tell me which page of the county budget shows how much money we are paying into the CC.

Hmm....wonder if it is because it simple is NOT TRUE like it was stated in the CGR.

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CadeFoster

Feb-20-14 7:58 PM

What happened Super Clown, you wont respond in the other posts anymore ? wonder why, did you make a bigger fool of yourself than you normally do ?------- from the headline "homes last stand" ----Super Clown also bragging he has 10000 patents now also,lol............World record holder Shunpei Yamazaki (Japan), president of Semiconductor Energy Laboratory Co. Ltd (Japan), holds a total of 6,314 patents as of 10 March 2011. ------ So Narcissistic Steiner did you apply for 10, yes count'em TEN patents a day since march 2011 ? LOL, you need help.

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