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Silver Creek discusses storage of ammunition

February 24, 2014

SILVER CREEK — The Silver Creek Police and its weapons have left the village, but a discussion of the department’s remaining ammunition dominated the recent village board meetin....

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DKexpat

Feb-24-14 8:45 PM

Maybe the SAFE team could run a sting operation and see if the village offers to sell it to someone who says he's a felon?

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kcw007

Feb-24-14 5:51 PM

Not to endlessly ramble on, but it just occurred to me that if the village is going to lock that ammo up in "fireproof safe" they'd better darn well make certain that it is truly "fireproof" with some redundancy as far as the expected maximum heat which might be expected if the building burns. I say that because, considering the quantity of ammo, if the interior of the that safe heats up past the point where smokeless powder ignites, THE SAFE WILL TURN INTO A BOMB like you can't imagine! Unless the safe interior can be guaranteed to stay suitably cool, they'd be FAR better off leaving the ammo in the open and just let it "pop" off in the event of a fire! Considering the likely expensive of such a safe, they might be better off just selling the stuff now as they're eventually going to get rid of it anyway.

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kcw007

Feb-24-14 5:32 PM

By comparison, that five gallon can of gasoline stored in the village barn has almost infinitely more destructive potential than does that stockpile of ammo.

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kcw007

Feb-24-14 5:10 PM

If neither the Sheriff's dept. or the City of Dunkirk have interest in the ammo it's likely that it is of calibers considered generally obsolete in modern law enforcement. I'm guessing it's something like 9mm, or maybe even older 38S&W, 38 Special, 357, or 45ACP. But even those calibers are in short supply in today's tight retail market. I might suggest that the village send out flyers to the region's licensed gun shops and ask for bids on the stockpile. It might be quick way to turn up a pile of cash.

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kcw007

Feb-24-14 4:54 PM

What?! Nobody here was a junior scientist back when the Mr. Wizard TV program was on? The best episode I recall was when Mr. Wizard, along with his ever faithful junior assistant, Timmy, decided to see what happens when you turn up the heat on a live 30.06 round! After placing the round on a common electric hotplate, a plain corrugated cardboard box was placed over the hotplate. We watched with excitement as the hot plate heated up. Mr. Wizard, and the ever able Timmy, took no more precautions than to put safety glasses on. I thought for certain that I was going to see Timmy die!!!! And suddenly..."bang" the box quivered a bit and all was calm. Upon removing the box it was observed that the while the brass had split, the bullet remained in its original position, relative to the casing. Thus ended my 1st physics lesson.

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kcw007

Feb-24-14 4:39 PM

Matthias3, Fireworks are filled with variants of "black powder" which is classified as an explosive, albeit only an antiquated low grade one as explosives go. All "modern" ammo contains smokeless powder which is comparatively slow burning and thus classified as a "propellant".

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MatthiasJ

Feb-24-14 1:09 PM

Hmm... it is a propellant and how many people lose life or limb in mishandling fireworks or malfunctioning fireworks??

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krich320

Feb-24-14 11:30 AM

OK, so I missed where it said HTML will be removed.... geesh.... I simply searched "will a bullet explode in a fire" and found that tests proved that in a fire the casings melt, the bullet falls out and does not cause serious harm. However, if a bullet is store in a gun it will travel and is not safe. Also, bullets stored in metal containers cause the bullets to expand and the metal box explodes. That said, the shrapnel from the box can cause harm.

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krich320

Feb-24-14 11:26 AM

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Found this online, so cannot guarantee its validity, but looks like only if the bullet is stored in a weapon can it cause serious harm.

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biblenguns

Feb-24-14 8:47 AM

Modern gunpowder is not classified as an explosive, it is a propellant and will not explode while loaded in ammunition even during a fire. There is a video on Youtube that shows this.

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lackingsense

Feb-24-14 7:57 AM

Sounds like Silver Creek might in violation of New York's Safe Act!!!

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DonaldTrump

Feb-24-14 7:25 AM

Hmmmm.. Simple Solution, reach out to other police agencies in area and offer to sell ammunition for cost. 1. There is shortage and high demand for ammunition. 2. Village can make money instead of spending money to buy a safe to store ammunition that they will never use and go bad. Use the profits to buy blacktop, everyone knows they have a ton of extra potholes to fill in this year.

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MatthiasJ

Feb-24-14 4:41 AM

Hmmmm... at last check ammunition contains gunpowder and that is very much an explosive as evidenced in odor of gun powder after a weapon is fired. Just how would this ammunition work if it is explosion proof? I would think that one would be very careful of even implying that the current code enforcement does not know the laws. There are many years of experience there. If it doesn't explode in fire why are there multiple deadly explosions when there is a fire at an ammunitions plant?

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