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Boardwalk tenants see rent increase

March 5, 2014

The tenants of the city of Dunkirk’s Boardwalk Market will be paying more for their leases as they come up for renewal....

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rumblefish

Mar-07-14 11:45 AM

we echo this again and again" government does not belong in the business of running private businesses, and businesses do not belong in the running of public government

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rumblefish

Mar-07-14 11:40 AM

does it have value to the area, ok it does, but it is not the place of government to run it, maintain it, and have taxpayers cover the expenses for it not breaking even it, could anyone image what the taxpayers would be shelling out if the city picked up the tab for maintenance and up keep, let alone pay the difference on all city businesses that run at a neg. balance yearly, DLDC blunders would be a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of city picking up difference on neg. city businesses

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Veteran1957

Mar-06-14 5:47 PM

I can only imagine what a dump the waterfront would be without the boardwalk, or the festivals. These have provided a pleasant area that residents can gather to and around. Quite a breath of fresh air from the significant decline throughout the rest of the villa....city. The role of government is to provide basic services. It is not a business and is never a money making entity. Sometimes government makes investments that cannot be measured on the balance sheet and the boardwalk, festivals and fireworks are examples of that. Community spirit and providing something nice and enjoyable is invaluable. Arguments about the annual loss from these things are like arguing that we are losing money because we are fixing potholes. The waterfront is an investment for the future of Dunkirk. Its value may not be apparent for years.

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DarkStar

Mar-06-14 11:28 AM

judeye,

That's a very good idea, especially if they are going to replace the signs for the boardwalk.

rumblefish,

I think your being a little hard on judeye. Basically all she said was if they are going to replace the signs for the boardwalk then they should put signs up directing people to other businesses in the city as well.

As for pointing to slums, that is actually part of the problem, if you entered Dunkirk on rt 5 and look South most of what you see are run down buildings so unless you knew there that the other side of the underpass would you even bother to leave rt 5?

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tjefson

Mar-06-14 11:24 AM

Rumblefish, of course another slug will need to be hired to collect this precious money. With salary benefits this family member will cost the city $45 an hour. Never mind the slug is only collecting $15 a day. This is a Dem stimulus program.

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tjefson

Mar-06-14 11:11 AM

rumblefish, how about a fee to enter the beach front area. After all, it is just like the beaches in San Diego, a real paradise. LOL!

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rumblefish

Mar-06-14 8:45 AM

next brain storm to raise revenue, having to purchase a permit to fish off city property including the pier/dock/pipes etc. got to make up that lost associated to city "boondoggles"

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tjefson

Mar-06-14 7:08 AM

Christopher, here we see the system on full display for everyone to see. Instead of hiring the most qualified candidates, the government has a system in place where favoritism and nepotism rule the day. Of course, people like Christopher see nothing wrong with this, as if somehow these people are created from a finer clay. Their feeling of superiority is reflected in the grandiose compensation packages they reward themselves. If only they were half the people they think they are. The taxpayers end up paying for least qualified person. What a cruel joke!

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Christopher

Mar-06-14 6:41 AM

There ya go, got passed over for a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE job, and now bashes all Public Employees. I rest my case. I knew this was personal, it was obvious.

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tjefson

Mar-05-14 10:18 PM

Christopher, you are living in a make believe world where money grows on trees. More people are waking up to the legal plunder going on. The public employee is not our friend. They are an enemy to the taxpayers in this area. Through oppressive taxation we have found ourselves unable to provide for our families in way that is acceptable. Instead we are carrying debt to pay for the raises and free health care afforded the public employee. To top it off, they are retiring in their fifties, gaming the system when the pensions are calculated, making as much or more than when they were working. My only public service was in the Navy from 1978-1981. I once took a civil service exam, had one of the highest scores, went on at least a dozen interviews and seen people who have connections be hired. You are correct, as a whole, the public sector is a bunch of slugs. I never seen people move so slow as those working for the government.

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Christopher

Mar-05-14 8:00 PM

tjefson, I'm not sure what your issue is, or why you came back to NY, but most public employees I know don't buy $3 ice cream cones, and aren't rich. You act as if every single public employee is lazy and a thief, personally ripping money out of your pockets. demonizing an entire class of people based on their jobs is more than a bit ridiculous. I'd bet if you had a chance at a good paying job you'd take it, and wouldn't worry one bit about whether it was "public employment" or not. My guess is you are a former public employee and more than a bit disgruntled.

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rumblefish

Mar-05-14 7:54 PM

invest in signs, really, this way to a run down slum area, this way to a non existent down town, oh wait their is one place signs would be helpful, this way out or this way to the ass clowns(city hall)just to be democratic let the commenters choose which are best, we say it's a tie

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tjefson

Mar-05-14 6:40 PM

DKexpat, this is the kind of investments that are made when its other peoples money. Some of the potholes in the roads are from the weather, and some are from the taxpayer being pile driven into pavement again and again and again.

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hadenough

Mar-05-14 5:26 PM

So the Bertges property was purchased with HUD money. Wonderful. Now as a lay person one of the requirements to get HUD funds is job creation. Which obviously has not been met. So since Federal funds were used illegally HUD has the right to ask for the money back. Once again the tax payer might be on the hook for $750,000. Now what about the person who got these funds and used them illegally? Will he/they be punished for this deception? I for one hope so. The taxpayer cannot afford to have their taxes raised to pay for this. The taxpayer is the innocent yet responsible to pay back monies used by the precious administration. Look how quickly the Clarion paid up when this borrowing hit the press. As Mayor Dolce should insist that the Federal Government come in and investigate and let the chips fall where they may.

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DKexpat

Mar-05-14 5:09 PM

"Not even close," he replied, "not even close. The annual payment is about $77,000 in principal and interest, we collect about $30,000."

This is like you or I owning rental property. We take out a mortgage for, say, $800/month and rent the place out for $400/month.

And then we wonder why we’re running a loss every month and can’t pay back the loan.

What an idiotic boondoggle – and Dunkirk taxpayers must make up the difference.

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judeye

Mar-05-14 4:33 PM

Just wondering, it is stated that the signs need to be replaced.

Could not a sign directing people to other businesses in the downtown be included? I have seen this in many other small towns. A sign such as...Grocery store three blocks with an arrow,...family restaurant, two blocks, ...even hospital, etc.

This to me this would be an investment to help ALL local businesses in the area, not just the ones located at the Boardwalk. After all, the sign is coming from all of our taxes.

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judeye

Mar-05-14 4:23 PM

what is considered seasonal? How many months? Makes a huge difference

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commentor

Mar-05-14 4:23 PM

The entire idea of the Boardwalk is idiotic. The purchase of the Bertges Property and the others should raise many questions about your former Mayor. On the other hand you can raise all the questions you want the trick is to have proof of not exactly above board transactions. If you have no proof put it away. As for the CCH it is over. Give it a rest. Stop beating a dead horse.

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DarkStar

Mar-05-14 3:19 PM

tjefson,

I understand that it's seasonal but even if we assume 6 months out of 12 that still is only $700 a month for prime commercial space.

Also they are season because of what their businesses are not because of the location. Demetri's manages to stay open year round, as do many other business in Dunkirk which aren't too far from these shops, so their seasonality is by choice and again, taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill.

If a business isn't commercial viable on it's own the government shouldn't rob the taxpayer to keep it going.

If nothing else consider this, should Boothy's have to pay to support their competition?

Then on top of subsidizing their rent the taxpayers are forced to pay for music on the pier to draw customers to these businesses.

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tjefson

Mar-05-14 3:03 PM

Darkstar, the problem is the seasonality factor. I am just guessing, but what are they open, maybe half the year? I think one place sells ice cream. What are they charging for an ice cream cone, 2 or 3 dollars? It seems like they would have to sell a lot of ice cream to make any kind of profit. Who has the money to buy these expensive ice cream cones, other than the public employees, next to nobody.

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CadeFoster

Mar-05-14 2:55 PM

Simple, send out a letter to all leasees that when the current lease expires, the new lease will be for $600 a month. Go them enough notice to decide if they want to stay or leave when the current lease expires.

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DarkStar

Mar-05-14 2:18 PM

So these two tenants had their rent RAISED to what amounts to $350 a month? Seriously?!?!

Only the government is stupid enough to take prime real estate off the tax roles and rent it at a loss, and people wonder why Dunkirk and Chautauqua County are such a disaster.

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DarkStar

Mar-05-14 2:15 PM

Alfalfa,

Take your meds, they will help stop the voices in your head which make you post such moronic comments.

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PhilJulian

Mar-05-14 1:41 PM

HADENOUGH - the Bertges property was purchased with inappropriate funding of HUD money according to the state comptroller's report. The Boardwalk was funded through ordinary borrowing.

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tjefson

Mar-05-14 1:26 PM

Watch the city drive all the tenants out of the Boardwalk. By the time these tenants pay for the rent, overhead and governmental compliance, how much money can they be making? I have never been on the Boardwalk. What is the attraction? Someone please tell me what I am missing.

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