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The politicians need an education

March 10, 2014

The question of the year is this: How do you obtain a college education for free? Answer: Either be an illegal or be a prisone....

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hadenough

Mar-12-14 4:54 PM

Why does the Chief of Police in a city of 12,000 make $96,000 per year. This is absurd. Also a detective in the department making $91,000. I know that the base salary for these individuals is not that high. If it is perhaps the Mayor should look into it. The Police Chief is appointed and as for the detective no wonder the arrests in the city were up in 2013. The overtime this city pays and the salaries paid to appointed officials who since being appointed are salaried, Something is terribly wrong in this city. And those we elect into office know that in a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten. That is why the Mayor has no comment. Just let it die then come next election the voter forgets and the employees laugh all the way to the bank every Friday. What can one expect when the voter votes party lines knowing that the downfall of the city is imminent. Now with the weather taking a turn for the worse city employees will be vacationing in the Bahamas and driving Cadillac's

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tjefson

Mar-12-14 1:32 PM

pr24601, I may have unintentionally said that 18% is lopped off the teachers salary. This is NOT the case. The teachers contribution is a fixed rate based on the teachers salary. I am not certain of the rate, but we can be sure it is a small percentage. They always see any contribution from their earnings a great injustice. For example, if they contribute 10% or 15% toward their health insurance, they belly ache and see it as some huge sacrafice and injustice. However, they have no problem seeing school property taxes increase significantly to make up for the shortfall in their pension plans. You are correct, they have a set specific amount and the entire risk of the defined benefit plan is transferred and absorbed by the taxpayers, many who have no pension. Many people are funding the public employees retirement while have no retirement plan of their own.

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tjefson

Mar-12-14 12:50 PM

"ObamaCare's Secret Mandate Exemption HHS quietly repeals the individual purchase rule for two more years".

Where is MSM on this. The Dems took this mandate all the way to the Supreme Court to force this on people disguised as a tax.

"ObamaCare's implementers continue to roam the battlefield and shoot their own wounded, and the latest casualty is the core of the Affordable Care Act—the individual mandate. To wit, last week the Administration quietly excused millions of people from the requirement to purchase health insurance or else pay a tax penalty".

LOL, this Obamacare is his signature program. LOL! Pleeeez LOL!

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tjefson

Mar-12-14 10:45 AM

OK Judeye, lets say the Dems take all the money of the people they love to demonize. These people provide many jobs for people and make major philanthropic contributions to causes they believe in. That's beside the point though. The fact and point I am making is the Dems would blow through all this money in less than 1 year. Our deficit spending is much more than these peoples accumulated wealth. The Dems refuse to admit that it is their irresponsible spending that will ruin this nation. Its not that difficult to figure out, but when people are on the receiving end of government hand outs they would rather deny reality and blame someone else.

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uhgtbk

Mar-12-14 10:33 AM

"...those who are more conservative in their views..use INSULTS and Name calling...for anyone who disagrees with them...." "...outraged over the amount of money those crooks..I mean bankers on wall st got. ..." So judy...you are calling yourself a conservative now..??

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tjefson

Mar-12-14 10:26 AM

Judeye, your remarks indicate that you believe these teachers salaries are appalling too. The CCH has to look no further than this group to see why the Home had to sold. There is only so much money to go around, and the more powerful with much greater compensation chose to protect their turf rather than sacrafice anything so others could live another day. This is the nature of the beast, aka unions.

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PR24601

Mar-12-14 10:06 AM

judeye, save the few remaining brain cells you have to spew more anti-American bleeding heart liberal propaganda. I don't know what color goggles you see the world through, but you are hopeless.

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judeye

Mar-12-14 9:26 AM

PR24601

One thing I have noted many times in the comments here...are those who are more conservative in their views..use INSULTS and Name calling...for anyone who disagrees with them.

So much for discussions and debates where we just might learn something from each other.

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judeye

Mar-12-14 9:18 AM

tjefson...I just thought by only putting in teacher salaries it was targeting them. Glad to hear you are equally concerned about the money made by CEO in other companies..and yikes..look at the money bonus we gave the bankers AFTER we the taxpayer had to bail them out.

I just am very confused how people could be so angry re teacher salary...and not be outraged over the amount of money those crooks..I mean bankers on wall st got.

If we are just..or even more outraged over the bankers...why are we not demanding that they be investigated, arrested, prosecuted..and RECOUP our money!

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PR24601

Mar-12-14 9:01 AM

tjefson good work. However, you show us all the teachers making 90K+, but then tell us 18% is lopped off the top for pension fund. What might be more helpful for the dimwits like marcia, is show her how much of the NYSTU pension is funded by teachers, and how much is funded by taxpayers.

In corporate world when they had pensions, the company foot the bill. There was no taxpayer at their expense if things got short. SO what happened? Pensions got smaller and were eventually eliminated. Because even they realize you can't pay someone to do nothing.

Not NYS public employees though - they all contribute, but their pensions are GUARANTEED! Yes that's right - tough times? No problem - we'll rape the taxpayers to cover the shortfall.

Private NYS citizens should pay NOTHING, 0%, zip, zilch towards the public employee pensions. They should be self-funded.

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tjefson

Mar-12-14 7:31 AM

There should be a "Wall of Shame" built for the taxpayers to visualize the perpetrators who are destroying this once beautiful community. The lists I created should be bill-boarded at the entrance of the factories where the working man is producing the very items this privileged class enjoys.

A person in the private sector would need between a 2 and 2.5 million $ annuity to retire with the pension these people are getting in the public sector. In essence, they are retiring as multi-millionaires on the taxpayer dime.

It only took around 50 years for the public unions to completely destroy the once thriving city of Detroit. A Democrat was in charge during the entire debacle. People who care do not bankrupt their cities.

The dynamics are the same here. We have wolves in sheep's clothing.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 10:57 PM

Marcia, the system is so insane, the taxpayers actually pay for all or part of the union representation that bargains against them. Like I have said before, I have no problem with unions in the private sector. They push the envelope to far, they go bankrupt in most cases. The exceptions are GM and GE who have been given special treatment by BHO. The union model is flawed and GM would have went belly up without the help of the taxpayer. GE get preferential tax treatment because their CEO ***** up to BHO.

The public sector union is entirely different because they are hired to provide services to preserve and maintain the health of a society. The public unions are destroying our society because of the unrealistic demands being put on the people they are supposed to be serving. The people have become slaves to the public servant.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 10:41 PM

So here is the list of teachers at DCSD who are making between 90 and 100K. Rock A Valone $99,918, David J. Boyda $99590, William J. Thiel $99,327, Noreen A Eckert $97,695, Roxanne F Claubeaux-micalak $96,462, Joseph A. mcMurdy $97,018, Michelle A Polvino $96,462, Barbara M Haverty $95,748, Donna M Kubera $95,476, Alan J Gens $95,009, Carol L Bleck $94,693, John G Silwa $93,170, Pamela A Pleszewski $92,889, Linda S Orcutt $92,273, Susanne G Heist $92,201, Caroline J Handel $92,032, Kim W Murphy $92,027, Marianne Manzella $91,434, Audrey J Evangelist $91,107, Angela M Dicara $90,801 and Carolyn M Crangle $90,061. To think they also have the best health insurance plans available. Also, 18% of their salary goes into a pension fund of which the teacher contributes very little. The contribution was 12% before the great recession, but the taxpayer needed to make up the shortfall. A 1.5% increase has been phased in over 4 years to reach the 18%.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 10:23 PM

Its been a long day, I got home around 9:45. Well I completed the task. Though statistics are dry, I think these are an eye opener for the taxpayer. The seethroughny**** teachers web-site for pensions has not been updated since 2010 so my analysis looks at this year. In 2010, there were 30 retirees from DCSD getting a pension of over 50K and 36 more getting a pension between 40 and 50K. The 2 highest were John Warren III at 75K and John Dombrowski at 73K.

The dishonorable mentioned for taking salaries in excess of 90K while calling themselves public servants is quite a list, mostly teachers. In 2013, there were only 2 police and fireman David Ortolano $96,655 and Keneth A Kaus $91,236. The teachers list I will include in another section. Once again, this is not trashing teachers, this is simply pointing out the facts about how these people are being compensated in an extremely poor area. This money must be coming from people making much less and the ethics are questionable.

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Captain

Mar-11-14 8:47 PM

"...and for all of you complaining, I suggest you form a union and try to get a better deal from your employer."

Marcia: your comment epitomizes the destructive mentality that public unions have, breaking it down into one simple, defining statement. I'm sure you understand the distinct difference between the public and private sector? Take a guess at how many non-union companies have gone bankrupt, or how many unionized companies have gone bankrupt AFTER major concessions were given?

Now here's a much easier question: Take a guess at how many govt munis have gone bankrupt, even though they've never come close, nor would ever consider, giving up an immediate 20%-40% cut in wages & benefits (like the workers at DSS did)? What does the avg USWA worker at Dunkirk Specialty Steel earn, $13/hr? In the private sector, if the money's not there, you can't get raises. Not so for public workers, especially when PERB is involved.

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American

Mar-11-14 6:55 PM

The left like judeye and Marcia are against anything that makes sense, that is truly for the kids and not the unions. If you hear a progressive such as those two are say it's for the kids you know it's a lie and it really isn't. The left thinks unions 1st everybody else comes after. If it's the truth they call it mean spirited or some such trashy thing. Keep up the great comments tjefson. You are doing great.

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Marcia

Mar-11-14 6:41 PM

tjefson, if you are going to start talking about PAC's you may as well bring up the millions the Koch brothers are spending against democrats. ANd, FYI, stockholders have no say when the companies they are invested in support politicians. But the contributions from public employees have to be voluntary, they cannot use union member fees. And for all of you complaining, I would suggest you form and union and try to get a better deal from your employer.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 5:09 PM

From the Wall Street Journal. Mr. Rauner is the republican candidate in Ill. The Dem's are already starting their mud slinging.

"Hence, a coalition of public unions under the guise of Illinois Freedom PAC is bankrolling ads against Mr. Rauner". The adds are half truths and sickening.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 4:00 PM

Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle Of Democracy (1770)

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world?s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage". Mr. Julian, history only repeats itself. The US has lasted longer than most.

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PhilJulian

Mar-11-14 3:18 PM

Tjefson - your postings make a lot of sense. There is only one explanation for the plight of our state and county. THE ANIMALS ARE RUNNING THE FARM! Government employees are a disproportionate part of the population and they vote. In the final analysis there is no hope for the near future so the only sensible thing to do is take what ever you can get for your property and get out of New York State like so many others have done in the past. By simply moving to Pennsylvania you can cut your tax burden nearly in half. JUDEYE - I know you enjoy picking on CEO'S but why don't you turn your attention to athletes and entertainers? They also make millions every year but there is a reason. In a free market system wages are based on talent, education, experience, productivity and general value to the employer. It makes sense to me!

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 2:27 PM

PR24601, since I have been here, which is to long, I have seen businesses leave this area. I watched Welch's leave Westfield, NY to do their processing in PA and the administration to Ma. I watched Petri Cookies leave Silver Creek for another state. I have seen small business owners relocate to SC and Fl. The cost of doing business here is to great and they also feel it is unappreciated. One business owner I know told the Judge after a labor dispute with the union he felt unappreciated and had enough. He now resides in Charleston, SC doing business there. The government here just doesn't get it and doesn't seem to care. They will care in the near future when there is no one left to fund these unsustainable promises they have made. It looks like to me it is only going to get worse.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 1:41 PM

localresident, I am no fan of Cuomo. However, in the case of charter schools, he is making a stand against the teachers union. He has chosen the children over the teachers union. That is all I am saying. In this one case, he is siding with the greater good so far. It does show how the children are nothing more than bargaining chips for the teachers union. They have evolved into a terrible group of people influenced by the thugs that represent them.

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tjefson

Mar-11-14 1:35 PM

PR24601, the people are voting with their feet. They are leaving because who wants to work primarily to privide benefits for this privileged class. There is more to life than eating, sleeping and hanging around the house because there is no money to do anything else. Petitions should be created and signed by the working people in this county expressing our displeasure with the current local government. The entire system needs an overhaul. The legislative, executive and judicial systems are no longer separate. They blend into one another. The 4th branch of government, may have to exert its will, but I don't see it happening. Complacany has set in which is a phase in the decline of previous civilizations that have eventually collapsed. My wife and I are discussing about re-locating to Tennessee, one of the few states without a state income tax.

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localresident

Mar-11-14 1:30 PM

Tjefson, not "thefts on".

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localresident

Mar-11-14 1:30 PM

Thefts on, Cuomo WOULD and HAS sunk this low. First, this is his proposal to hand out free education to prisoners. Second, as HUD secretary a few years ago, he "lost" $76 BILLION that nobody can seem to account for. He has no problem whatsoever bilking me, you, and everyone else for his own good.

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